Europe is the bastion of human civilization.

I was counting Hellenistic Greek and Roman culture also but yeah Renaissance is the period with actual critical mass where it all really begun.

as for Rock n Roll I thought the Beatles started that along with Murikans I don't know much about its roots but it makes sense that America did it maybe a development of Country music or something of the sort not going to Wiki it...

Love Jazz, specially Blues, and thank God Murikans got it just right.

All good points. As you know, I like your entries to Letty's thread, generally a lot.

China dominated for a very long time. I don't remember Japan's length of years except that it was also long.

Fil, whom I like but think is narrow sighted (is he actually Foofie? No, but there are similarities), is like many people all over, zoned in while looking from one myopic eye, while acting as extremely educated. Most well educated, by their own long reading history or schooling w reading, know about the value of doubt.

He is also aggravating in a low level sandpaper way with the word Murika.
So cute, to repeatedly call 300 million people as that place. Reminds me of usians, which I also despise, re the u.s.a., but somewhat understand as useful. That one is like a screw going into my ear. I know it is internet accepted.

Then there is Cali for california. Don't get me started.

Of course, but they are talking about history and changes. I read a NYer article that mentioned - what Olivier is saying - just this morning. It's an oddly wonderful article by a chinese New Yorker editorial staffer about the advent of many chinese children of the rich moving to Vancouver. The article, which starts out sort of obnoxiously puffy fluffy, gets down to business soon enough, re economics and history.

Annals of Wealth
by Jiayan Fan
The Golden Generation
China's young go west.
February 22, 2016

My dear "Murikan" Osso I really like you to. Always polite always settled calm posting from you never loud never looking for a fight. A2K is better with you around...men and testosterone bull fighting... how can you put up with us ?

That's been going on for many decades in Vancouver. The rich people from Hong Kong buying property in Vancouver where the ambiance is similar. Locals have been angry about that for many decades.

It's recent.
http://www.reuters.com/article/canada-china-housing-idUSL1N0Z812N20150709

It's also mainland China buyers who are buying multiple luxury homes. http://www.reuters.com/article/canada-china-housing-idUSL1N0Z812N20150709

I'm no saint, I've been repulsive in accusation a couple of times in the past and I can be a wallbusting bitch. Poor self control in action. I'm not miss ice cream. On the other hand, I had reasons. One was both our faults, emotional, and one wasn't, that one was scary.

I know that. I was talking about the matter of chinese and european history over time.

Did I need to underline and bold that the article got to history?

No.

adds, I like men, that's how. Not always, of course.

In my youth it was books by men, newspaper articles (say, on horseracing) by men, books in my aunt's house, which held her deceased husband's interests and none of hers, as I take her as not a reader. Now, many years later, I wonder why not. I never took her as stupid, even as a teen or near adult.

He was, I gathered, my listening at thirteen, an explorer. I still have some of his rocks. He was the head tool and dye person at Douglas aircraft during WW2. I remember him slightly, showing me how to turn the ice cream thing on their back steps in oklahoma (or was it wichita? based in what is now Santa Monica).
I was four then. A faint good almost short video memory in my brain.

Isn't that the pits? My memory is failing me more and more. In the past, if I didn't remember something, it would eventually pop into my mind. Now days, I can't even depend on that.

I get you. A friend and I have been talking about it.

Far as I can see, you are ahead of the game.

Hey, shithead, remember that I love you.



*shithead - sometimes meant as a caress.

The Beatles started as imitators of American bands.

As for the Greek and Roman cultures, they were not the only cultures of their time, nor were they globally dominant, so to say that Europe had been culturally dominant for 3000 years is not accurate.

The kind of broad-brush anti-American sentiment from Europe that Fil puts out on this thread results from American dominance and our frustration with it, and with our own irrelevance at this point in time in history (Europe's, I mean). I have very little patience for it.

Pre-20th century history is what we are talking about... Evidently today Japan is #3, China is #2, US is #1, and no European country comes close.

Just to respond to an earlier claim, Japan is not the size of California, unless one's measure is simply the land area, which is a meaningless metric. The population of Japan is about four times that of California.

Its NOT Anti American. Its blunt it may be wrong its honest and some remarks may be miss understood. Europe has no defacto classic power true, but I perhaps romantically belive we have a better subtler mission when it comes to settling an example to the world. I believe in the Euro project but I am well aware of its frailty unfortunately. I hope we can overcome this crisis. Our alliance with America is natural welcome and necessary. I want to see an America more like in the 60's and my frustration with it has nothing to do with Europe limitations, honest to God.
People around the forum take my criticism the way they want it...its the web...no harm done.