9
   

Europe is the bastion of human civilization.

 
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 08:00 am
@saab,
Quote:
We opted for a social state - politicians like Franco certainly did and Hitler of course and a few more like that.

No comments. Idiocy has a limit and you reached it !
As for Setanta bullshit I will just bypass it we Portuguese got to Japan well before any of the Murikan Brit ancestors even knew how to get to India or America. But that is besides the point Henrique fought muslins because of a cultural clash...America fights muslins for their oil...Setanta being a balloon of hot hair is no surprise, his understanding of History and civilization is a perfect example of how twisted an American can go with a bad social context around him. Blaming Religion and Europe instead of understanding human nature and culture clashes is his intellectual savant experty. An idiot inflated by bigger idiots that take him seriously.
Fil Albuquerque
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 08:07 am
America is Europe gone wild and the whole freaking planet followed the West European culture and tradition up to Japan. The European heritage is everywhere and its legacy to the world is a FACT visible by any common sense man without a colony complex in his mind.
0 Replies
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 08:21 am
Pointing fingers at Institutions instead of observing Human social behaviour goes a long way to demonstrate the degree of sheer pure stupidity when it comes to getting the facts right. Appalling capacity of making good judgement is the best measure to distinguish intelligence from being merely informed.
0 Replies
 
saab
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 08:31 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Quote:
We opted for a social State


Which state do you refer to, if I may ask?
We have within the last 100 years had governments from the far right to the far left and all shades in between.
Europe is not yet one State and who knows if it ever will be one.
Fil Albuquerque
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 09:01 am
@saab,
The Euro project, yes it still is under construction and its fragile, it based on cultural diversity and integration (for Christ sake just look at the map) and protection of its Citizens through a social protection system regulated by the State. Pensions, medical and pharmaceutical care, free education, all of this are at the base of the project that intends to prove the world there is an alternative to brute force Darwinism and liberal capitalism. The State regulates because people are to stupid to regulate themselves. The respect for the "Public Thing" which is responsibility of each and every citizen acknowledges the need for taxation in order to preserve the social ecosystem balance which empowers the middle class and promotes innovation. As for your little comment about "tags"....governments throughout Europe coined either at left or right have basically done the exact same thing....in Americas eyes they all would be deemed socialist that's for sure. So please just don't come with the parties tag bullshit of left and right...nowadays parties are just machines to win elections....its the prevailing culture that dictates what they can or cannot do in the information age, not principles written in old papers.
Fil Albuquerque
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 09:57 am
Understanding Money.

- Money should never be an end in itself.
- Money is only good as a social instrument aimed at balancing the social ecosystem for maximum productivity of all its members within their specific limits and promoting a group life worth living.
- Businesses and companies should be at the core of social responsibility.
While no one expects a business to kill itself by over taxation a business has social obligations and associated to its products there should be the added value of good social practices.
- A business who cannot undergo taxation and contribute positively to society is not sustainable nor economically interesting in the long run. Its self cannibalizing...it eats up the social structure and shoots itself in the foot or moves on to the next feeding ground.

- Hopefully most of Europe more or less intuitively understands this and will export the model of this Philosophy once again to an otherwise clueless modern world.

Of course the European project is doomed to fail by outside pressure and economic speculation if global rules don't come to fruition. If Einstein was alive today we would agree they are 100 years late. Off-shores and fiscal paradises that harbour 99% of the money in the hands of 1% have to stop or there will be a third world war till we get it. The time for tribalism and gang warfare is over in a global world.
0 Replies
 
ossobuco
 
  2  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 10:25 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
The present U.S. population is about 322,000,000. We don't all think alike. Please quit assuming we do.
Fil Albuquerque
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 10:37 am
@ossobuco,
No Osso, I like you but sorry I never did assume any such thing. Had you being paying attention to my posts I spoke of two Americas since the start, one that I love and another that I rather bypass. There is no boggy man hunting Americans around here.
0 Replies
 
Foofie
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 10:38 am
@saab,
saab wrote:

Oh yes we Europeans are such wonderful people....
It is so easy not be a racist when you hardlly have anybody from another race in your country.

Yes, you win the Intellectually Honesty Award, in my opinion. You also answered the question what motivated two millenia of rabid anti-Semitism in Europe. (The answer: No one else quite different enough to treat as pariahs.)

And, for those that think that Europe was the fount of all learning should remember that in the first millenium North Africa had the advanced culture. Only in the second millenium did Europe learn to start using Arabic numerals, and understand math from North Africa.
Fil Albuquerque
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 10:51 am
@Foofie,
Quote:
And, for those that think that Europe was the fount of all learning should remember that in the first millenium North Africa had the advanced culture. Only in the second millenium did Europe learn to start using Arabic numerals, and understand math from North Africa.


Absolutely correct. (just don't forget the Greeks and the Romans and the all Hellenistic culture)
0 Replies
 
Foofie
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 10:51 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:



The Europeans brought smallpox with them which devastated a relatively healthy population, and they brought hardships (including slavery).




They brought smallpox by accident. You are blaming colonists for having more diverse immune systems than the native Americans? And, slavery came from European slave traders. Not having my experiences, I would not expect you to see this country as I do (an island of much less demented hate than Europe has been comfortable in affecting).
0 Replies
 
maxdancona
 
  2  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 10:55 am
Where do you get the idea that Europe is less racist than the US?

Europe had an ethnic war which included what many people consider a genocide in the past 30 years. Add to this a thriving European right wing which makes Trump look tame, and regular race based violence and Christmas celebrated in blackface. And add to this the fact that Jews are leaving Europe in greater and greater numbers.

The US deals racism up front. We make the struggle public, but we have the struggle. Europe has a far worse record, and it far more eager to sweep it under the table.
saab
 
  2  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 11:13 am
@maxdancona,
Quote:
Christmas celebrated in blackface.

The 5th of December in Niederlande and Belgium Sinterklaas and Zwarte Piet come with goodies for kids.
Sinterklaas is Santa Claus which really is the Bishop Niculas.
Zwarte Piet is Sinterklaas companion. It certainly is not meant as something negativ of black people.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Sinterklaas_zwarte_piet.jpg/370px-Sinterklaas_zwarte_piet.jpg
maxdancona
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 11:16 am
@saab,
Bullcrap Saab,

He is a black "servant" of a White Master. He is portrayed as a buffoon with comical afros and big red lips. If kids are bad, he kidnaps them ships them back to the Moors in Spain.

If this tradition doesn't have racist roots, than nothing is racist.
Fil Albuquerque
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 11:19 am
@ossobuco,
The America that I love and want preserved:



The America that I would bypass any day:




...no further...
0 Replies
 
saab
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 11:19 am
@maxdancona,
[img] Jews are leaving Europe in greater and greater numbers.[/img]
It is a correct and sad statement.
The majority of attacks on Jewish establishment like schools or synagogs are done by rather newly arrived Muslims and some rightwinged Europeans.
saab
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 11:24 am
@maxdancona,
In Germany St. Nikolaus comes with Knecht Rubrecht who is not black, but not very nice who threatens to beat kids who have not been nice.
There are traditions and we can see them so or so and to put discrimination into evertything is not going to help.
maxdancona
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 11:31 am
@saab,
Quote:
There are traditions and we can see them so or so and to put discrimination into evertything is not going to help.


The Zwarte Piet tradition, which features white men putting on black face with afro wigs and lipstick to make their lips appear big and acting like buffoons, is unquestionably racist.

We had similar traditions of black faced mistrals in the US too. We largely got rid of these traditions in the 1960s and they are now considered to be deeply offensive.

I am responding to Fil's ridiculous claims that the US is more racist than Europe. In this case (and others) we are about 60 years ahead of Western Europe when it comes to racial justice.
Fil Albuquerque
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 11:35 am
@maxdancona,
...hahaha, hihihi...oh boy...knocked down !
0 Replies
 
saab
 
  1  
Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2016 11:52 am
@maxdancona,
60 years ago Europe as a rule did not have a population of black people like you did, which on top of it was discriminated against. We were chocked when we heard what was going on.
The Jews were discriminated in Europe, but was that because of their religion or their race. You walk by someone in the street and you cannot tell they are Jewish.
Now we have people from outside of Europe. People who also discriminate against us. Or often we are so overcareful, that we do things we think they might be against.
Someone gets the idea the churchbells should not ring as some Muslim might not like it. All of a sudden the Muslims are blamed. There are too many things like that happening.
 

Related Topics

THE BRITISH THREAD II - Discussion by jespah
FOLLOWING THE EUROPEAN UNION - Discussion by Mapleleaf
The United Kingdom's bye bye to Europe - Discussion by Walter Hinteler
Sinti and Roma: History repeating - Discussion by Walter Hinteler
[B]THE RED ROSE COUNTY[/B] - Discussion by Mathos
Leaving today for Europe - Discussion by cicerone imposter
So you think you know Europe? - Discussion by nimh
 
Copyright © 2021 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 01/25/2021 at 11:52:05