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How to stop prostitution

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 01:04 pm
@neologist,
The question I am asking you, Neologist, is how paying for sex is any difference then paying for any other service (i.e. making you coffee, or cleaning your teeth)?

You can either treat the person providing you a service as a human being, or you can treat them as just the service they provide. This is true no matter what service is being provided.

You also are talking about "an aroused libido", but I don't think even this makes buying sex different than buying any other service.

When I get hungry for food, or feel the need for coffee I have the same urge to satisfy my cravings. Again, this has nothing to do with the way I treat the person who provides these services.


cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 01:32 pm
@oristarA,
I was in London after the war, and women were lined up at Trafalgar Square. I understand that the same thing happened in Tokyo.
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edgarblythe
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 01:44 pm
The world's oldest profession will continue to do business as long as there are people wanting the sex. You can jail them, educate them - Doesn't make a dent. I personally feel it ought to be legalized, in the interests of health and safety.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 01:48 pm
@edgarblythe,
Nevada has legalized prostitution.
saab
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 01:50 pm
@maxdancona,
You may treat a person nicely whatever she serves you coffee in a restaurant or she is a prostitute.
The young waitress is probably also treated correctly by her boss, gets her salary regularly and noone is beating her to go to work. She is as a rule not in danger to be raped, not payed ,beaten up, mistreated or even murdered during workinghour. She does not to stand on the street in all kind of weather to wait for a customer.
What about child pornagraphy and prostitution? Who on earth is treating these kids and children nicely? Nobody absolutely nobody.

edgarblythe
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 01:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yeah, but the other states don't. Mr. Green
saab
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 01:53 pm
@edgarblythe,
Not only legalized, but be a profession where the person has regular working hours, paying taxes, having a health insurance and social security.
The working place has to be free of pimps or criminals.
Child prostitution and pornography should be punished very very hard
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 01:57 pm
@edgarblythe,
They're behind the times.
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maxdancona
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 02:07 pm
@saab,
I think you already answered this in your next post, but I will say it explicitly.

The reason that waitresses are treated correctly by their bosses is that they work in a above board, regulated industry that offers protections and respect for both workers and customers. This is also the reason that you don't see under aged waitresses.

If you want prostitutes to be treated nicely, then you should treat their profession with respect rather than driving it underground.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 02:40 pm
@maxdancona,
Sexual harassment is illegal no matter where one works.
Leadfoot
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 03:01 pm
Did he actually say that?
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maxdancona
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 05:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes Cicerone, sexual harassment is illegal. Sexual harassment has nothing to do with consensual sex (whether done by professionals or amateurs).

Poking people's teeth with sharp instruments is also illegal in the workplace. This doesnt mean it isn't a legitimate service when I pay to have this service.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 05:59 pm
@maxdancona,
Who said consenital sex was illegal? Your imagination is now competing with BillRM's. LOL
maxdancona
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Prostitution is consensual sex in any case that both parties willingly take part in the transaction.

This should be legal, regulaed and as safe as any other service industry. Non-consensual sex is always illegal as it should be.
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neologist
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 09:07 pm
@maxdancona,
Hmm.
I find it difficult to visualize a person experiencing sexual arousal over a haircut.
Or while purchasing soup.
But, that's just me.
maxdancona
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 09:23 pm
@neologist,
The question is: Why is it wrong for two people to have consensual sex when one is paying the other?

There is no moral difference between this and any other service that is for sale. One person is benefiting from a service that he or she desires. The other person is getting paid for providing that service. They both get what they want in a transaction that is good for each of them.

I don't see what "sexual arousal" has to do with it (unless you believe that sexual arousal is a bad thing). Many times when you pay for a service you are also paying for the experience. Sexual arousal is a part of the experience a prostitute provides. When you get a haircut you will always get conversation (the hair cutters understand that this is part of the job) and recently I have been getting a hot towel applied to the neck (which has nothing to do with the hair cut, but is a very nice sensual experience). Cafe's provide musical atmosphere and bars provide companionship, there are a lot of service providers that understand that the experience is as important as the end result. Prostitution is no different.

None of this make it wrong for people in service professions to make money catering to customers. They benefit financially. Their customers benefit getting a service they want. Everyone gets something from the deal (as long as the transaction can be above board, legal and regulated).
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maxdancona
 
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Mon 29 Feb, 2016 11:05 pm
What gives anyone the right to stop consensual prostitution (i.e. where both parties are willing participants to consensual sex in exchange for money)?

A woman has the power over her own body. (I would say the same for any man who wants to be a prostitute). She should be able to choose with whom she wants to have sex. It makes no difference whether money changes hands or not.

Stopping consensual prostitution is a putting a prohibition on consensual sex. In the case where prostitution involves consensual sex between two adults, I don't think society has the moral right to stop it.
saab
 
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Tue 1 Mar, 2016 01:02 am
@maxdancona,
How much is consensual sex when a woman has to sell her body up to 20 men a night, sexual pleasure or organsm should not happen for the woman. Nor should they ever kiss the man as then feelings would happen.
When young people boys and girls are forced to sell their bodies there certainly is no real consensual sex.
What about children.
Here men talk about consunsual sex, it is ok as it the oldest profession, sex is part of life.,or they have seen a prostiturton Trafalgar Square close to 70 years ago
Not one word has been said about the negative sides for women and men who are forced to live like this. Who are forced to have sex to fulfilled the most abnormal wishes of men even the most unattractiv and disgusting.
I think I have read that it is less than 5% of prostituts who like what they do.
maxdancona
 
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Tue 1 Mar, 2016 05:50 am
@saab,
Saab,

You are conflating consensual prostitution (where a woman or man makes a free choice to enter a profession they find profitable) with sexual slavery. I support consensual prostitution. I also support consensual sewing of clothes and consensual building of electronics. I am strongly opposed to sexual slavery. I am also opposed to forced clothing manufacturing, forced harvesting of crops and forced electronics manufacture.

We agree about sexual slavery. What you want to do is take away the right of a woman (or man) to choose prostitution as a profession because they find it profitable.

I don't know about the 5% figure that you think you read somewhere. These figures used for political propaganda are often scientifically bogus. But let's assume that the 5% figure is correct, and that the number of waitresses who "like what the do" is significantly higher.

There is a reason that waitresses, for the most part, have better working conditions and except for rare and extreme cases aren't abused. The profession of waiting on table can be done above board. Waitresses and their customers aren't underground. No one has to hide.

Waitresses are free to leave if they don't like their job, and customers have an unrestricted legal and safe choices to meet their need for convenient warm food.

Listen to the voices of women who want the right to be prostitutes and who find it profitable. There are many, and they are telling you that they want their profession to be safe, legal and regulated for themselves and their customers. I don't know why society thinks it has the right to tell women they don't have this choice.

Of course there are also women who talk about the horrors of sexual slavery. I agree that sexual slavery is horrific and must be stamped out. The point is that providing legal, open and accountable ways to provide sexual services goes a long way toward ending sexual slavery.


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Leadfoot
 
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Tue 1 Mar, 2016 08:11 am
@maxdancona,
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What gives anyone the right to stop consensual prostitution (i.e. where both parties are willing participants to consensual sex in exchange for money
Wish I could remember his name, but I once saw an interview where this question was put to a politician who replied: "We can't legalize that, because if we did, people could do what ever they want."

I fell out of my chair but it wasn't surprising that the politician didn't see anything funny in his answer.

I'm not aware of just what it was in my upbringing that caused this but the key to ending prostitution is somewhere in it. By the time I became aware of what the mechanics of sex was, it was so intertwined with 'romantic love' that the thought of sex outside of that was unthinkable. On the other hand, the same upbringing left me with the twisted notion that there was nothing wrong with loving many women.

Ive been told that solution is worse than the disease.
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