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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Tue 4 Apr, 2017 11:55 pm
@Foofie,
Formula 1 is the real deal, the arena where the world' s best pilots and best cars fight. NASCAR is for pussies.



Olivier5
 
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Tue 4 Apr, 2017 11:59 pm
@georgeob1,
I explained it to you several times already. Try and pay attention. What is cowardly is to try and deny the truth, to attack the science when you don't like it's message.

I am ready to admit that the US made some progress under Obama but his legislation is now being repelled. And since Americans emits twice as much CO2 per head as the Europeans, you have a lot of catch up to do.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 12:10 am
@Kolyo,
Quote:
Are you worried about a similar threat coming from Britain?

No you are not, because Brits don't do that.

Fil's worries are irrational in this particular instance. The Russians won't do that either.

The UK spies on Europe on behalf of the US. That must be out of their stauch European liberal values and sturdy alliances with Europe, I guess.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 12:15 am
@Kolyo,
These rocks are symbols of past glory. That's why they are important the the quitters, who are obsessed by past glories.
Blickers
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 12:52 am
@Olivier5,
Quote Olivier5:
Quote:
Fil's worries are irrational in this particular instance. The Russians won't do that either.

Russia will do anything or conquer anywhere it thinks it can get away with. You should know that by now.

Czechoslovakia 1968
https://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Czechoslavakia%201968%20pic%203_zpsnxkqcp7z.jpg

Hungary 1956
https://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Hungary%201956%20pic%203_zpsekqv6i8m.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 01:03 am
It's not just Spain and the UK about Gibraltar: the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland will be another important flash point in the upcoming Brexit negotiations, the uncertainty around what will happen to the divide between two countries ...
Olivier5
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 02:46 am
@Blickers,
Quote:
Russia will do anything or conquer anywhere it thinks it can get away with. You should know that by now.

The same could be said of the UK or the US, though. You should know that by now.

The whole point, in this particular case, is that the Russians can't get away with it that easily, and they know that. Conspiracy theories are one thing, real politics quite another.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 02:48 am
@Walter Hinteler,
For those who have missed it:
Nigel Farage jeered in European Parliament after accusing EU of ‘behaving like the mafia’ over Brexit
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[...]
The former Ukip leader, who was referred to as a “demagogue” by one MEP before he gave his speech, added that last Wednesday was a “historic day” for Britain following the activation of Article 50. “An act that that he been cheered by hundreds of millions of people all over the world,” he added.

He continued: “The response to the triggering of Article 50 has been all too predictable. Already you’ve made a series of demands that are not just unreasonable but in some cases clearly impossible for Britain to comply with.
[...]
“You’ve shown yourself with these demands to be vindictive, to be nasty. All I can say is thank goodness we’re leaving. You're behaving like the mafia - you think we're a hostage. We're free to go!

But the Ukip leader changed his remark to “gangster” after being chastised by the chair of the European Parliament for comparing the EU to the criminal organisation during the raucous debate.

Mr Farage also told MEPs that if the EU tried to impose tariffs on exports from the UK, Britons could boycott European goods. ... ... ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 05:38 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Resolution on negotiating mandate insists that transition arrangement for UK after 2019 can last no longer than three years

MEPs in Strasbourg approved the negotiating mandate by 516 votes to 133, with 50 abstentions, comfortably exceeding the two-thirds majority sought by parliament leaders to show unity behind their approach.

The resolution calls for phased negotiations in the divorce proceedings, going against the wishes of London, which would like exit talks and discussions of a future trade arrangement to happen in parallel. It also asserts that the UK must respect its membership obligations until it leaves the EU.
Source
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 05:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Lawmakers rejected two nearly identical amendments that would have added to the text a reference to Gibraltar's pro-EU vote in last year's Brexit referendum, a move meant to recall its residents back the EU but also prefer to remain in Britain.

Gibraltar rejected the idea of Britain sharing sovereignty with Spain by 99 percent to 1 percent in a 2002 referendum, but voted overwhelmingly to remain part of the EU in last June's Brexit vote.

The changes proposed by British Conservative lawmakers in the EU parliament and by a cross-party group of MEPs wanted to highlight that Gibraltar voted against Brexit.

They also wanted to add a reference to the enclave in a paragraph saying that a majority of electors in Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU.

The main groupings in the parliament opposed this change because "we do not agree to give to the Gibraltar issue the same importance as Scotland's and Northern Ireland's", a parliament official said.

Other amendments proposed by the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) euroskeptic grouping, deploring Tusk's guidelines on Gibraltar, were also widely rejected.
Source
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McGentrix
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 06:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
They are English rocks in the Ocean though.
Not really (besides that it would be UK-rocks): Gibraltar’s relationship with Britain and Europe is complicated to say the least. But although Gibraltar is a British Overseas Territory, it isn't really a colony.
All the recent disputes mainly arose from violations of territorial sea borders.


Thanks Drax, I don't think anyone understood what "English" was referring to. I appreciate you for clearing that up.
McGentrix
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 06:19 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

And since Americans emits twice as much CO2 per head as the Europeans, you have a lot of catch up to do.


WE'RE #1! WE'RE #1! WE'RE #1!

Unless you look and NOx where European diesels rule the roost. Thank goodness you didn't add Canada too, as they are even better than America at green house gas emissions.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 07:04 am
@McGentrix,
Since this thread is about "Brexit", since the are the problems re. Northern Ireland, not to speak about Scotland - I do think it is important to give an EU-member country the correct name and not confuse it with regional parts of it.

McGentrix
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 07:19 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Since this thread is about "Brexit", since the are the problems re. Northern Ireland, not to speak about Scotland - I do think it is important to give an EU-member country the correct name and not confuse it with regional parts of it.


You are absolutely, technically correct as always. I am sure that everyone was scratching their heads and wondering what "English rocks" was. I mean what kind of point would be being made if one says England and not Great Britain, or United Kingdom (Better get North Ireland in there!) or even the British Isles!

Why is it called Brexit though, Drax? Shouldn't it be UKexit?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 07:38 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Why is it called Brexit though, Drax? Shouldn't it be UKexit?
Don't ask me - you are a native English-speaker.
I'm just of Saxon heritage, missing the Anglo-, but for my ears 'Brexit' just sounds better. (Actually, it was coined that way on the model of Grexit, in 2012)
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 08:21 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

I explained it to you several times already. Try and pay attention. What is cowardly is to try and deny the truth, to attack the science when you don't like it's message.

I am ready to admit that the US made some progress under Obama but his legislation is now being repelled. And since Americans emits twice as much CO2 per head as the Europeans, you have a lot of catch up to do.


The truth here - based on observable data - is that the actual warming has been far less than what the AGW zealots forecast, and that truly laughable "scientific" omissions have been found in their global models for the problem. A year ago came the admission from the IPCC that they had omitted the acceleration in the growth rate of carbon absorbing green plants as a direct consequence of the CO2 increases that had occurred and were forecast. In mathematical terms they omitted a damping term in the differential equation they were modeling. They had also made highly unrealistic assumptions regarding the prevailing mixing depth in the oceans for the carbonic acid that results from the absorption of CO2 by seawater. These facts got far less public attention than the now discredited "hockey stick" forecasts of imminent disaster. Not very impressive science.

It takes credulous stupidity to ignore this stuff, and real courage to point out the flaws in the propaganda for it amidst all the popular public frenzy.

The progress that was made here in reducing our CO2 emissions was made in spite of the actions of former President Obama, who tried hard to limit the exploitation of breakthrough new technologies for directional lateral drilling to exploit abundant natural gas resources here, which quickly, through natural market forces, displaced the use of coal. Far more CO2 reduction was achieved in a couple of years than has yet been done by decades of subsidized wind and solar power - and at a far a lower economic cost.

Your "explanations" were merely repetitions of the standard AGW cant, coupled with self-congratulation for the supposed courage of these who pander to the popular frenzy and who should know better.

Olivier5
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 09:28 am
@georgeob1,
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The truth here - based on observable data - is that the actual warming has been far less than what the AGW zealots forecast

That's a lie.
georgeob1
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 09:40 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
The truth here - based on observable data - is that the actual warming has been far less than what the AGW zealots forecast

That's a lie.


Oh really?? You might want to check the IPCC forecasts and the predictions of other AGW advocacy groups gong back a decade or so. No point in worrying about some of the even more outlandish hockey stick forecasts of earlier years: they are now thoroughly discredited.

Again the phenomenon is real, not fully understood, and not yet containable with current technologies alone, without serious adverse effects on humanity. Worse some immediately available and highly effective technologies such as nuclear power are actively opposed by the same zealots who appear to want the rest of us to freeze in the dark.

What does that suggest to you?
Olivier5
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 09:43 am
@georgeob1,
Sorry, I've no need for your lies. You need them because you are afraid of the truth. I'm not.
georgeob1
 
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Wed 5 Apr, 2017 09:50 am
@Olivier5,
Looks like self-serving denial to me.
 

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