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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Blickers
 
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Wed 18 Jan, 2017 10:10 pm
@Builder,
Quote Builder:
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Still in denial, I see? The whole orchestrated (nobody saw this coming) global financial crisis was a theory?

So who said it was a theory? In your desperate-and quite hilarious-attempt to seem knowing of economic matters, (when in fact you do nothing but push Russian originated talking points), you go farther and farther out on a limb. This chart which I have posted plainly illustrates the 2008 crash. It also illustrates that it is largely over. The debt crisis you try to push is illustrated to be in the past, it has levelled off for the past four years.

https://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/us%20debt%20to%20gdp%20chart_zpsefwow5co.jpg

So now that you have posted that the economic numbers you don't trust hide the 2008 economic crisis when in fact they illustrate the crisis and its recovery, what will be your next move? How much more will you humiliate yourself on these pages?
Blickers
 
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Wed 18 Jan, 2017 10:14 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote Olivier:
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The devil comes in when one thinks that science is ALWAYS wrong, that ALL statistics are useless, that ALL media lie ALL the time.

Builder is doing it for a purpose-he has to push the doomsday scenario because he's emotionally or financially committed to it, and the economic facts just won't cooperate. So the facts must be considered fiction, and Builder's fiction must be considered fact, for him to maintain his fantasy.
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Builder
 
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Thu 19 Jan, 2017 04:52 am
@Blickers,
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In your (snip) attempt to seem knowing of economic matters, (when in fact you do nothing but push Russian originated talking points), you go farther and farther out on a limb.


I couldn't give a rat's armpit about Russia's economic woes.

Total non-sequitur as always from you. You continue to post the same lame chart, from the same lame source, as if repeating yourself ad-nauseum gives credibility to your lame claims.

Nice try, blinkers, but the jig is up.

The LIBOR scandal got swept under the rug, and so did QE 1, 2, 3, and now 4.

When a financial plan is failing to deliver the desired outcome (as stated by those doing the "easing") why would it continue, unless for reasons they don't want to admit to?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 19 Jan, 2017 10:19 am
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The former UK diplomat who wrote Article 50 has said it is "perfectly possible" Brexit will not happen.

Lord Kerr said the Prime Minister could revoke Article 50 if Britain began to suffer a "serious degree of economic damage".

He also said there is a one in three chance Brexit negotiations will end with no deal between the UK and the European Union, resulting in "serious economic disruption and a degree of legal chaos".
Source
georgeob1
 
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Thu 19 Jan, 2017 11:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Not withstanding the skepticism of now retired diplomats convinced that those that follow him surely cannot accomplish what he chose not to try, PM Theresa May in a speech two daya ago indicated her firm intent to proceed with a departure from the EU, the common market and the jurisdiction of the European Court. She (wisely I think) committed to approval from both Houses of Pariament before the approval of any final arrangement.

Conceivably this could be a ruse, but I doubt it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 19 Jan, 2017 11:44 am
@georgeob1,
How can it be a ruse?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 20 Jan, 2017 10:34 am
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Switzerland may be outside the European Union, but the country is not looking for an “anti-EU alliance” with the UK, its foreign minister has said.

Following Theresa May’s 12-point Brexit blueprint speech, Swiss foreign minister Didier Burkhalter said: “We want good, maybe even closer ties with Britain. But we will not forge an alliance with Britain against the EU.”
[...]
Wealthy Switzerland is frequently cited by Brexiteers as a nation which has flourished without being a member of the EU.

Relations between Switzerland and the EU are framed by a series of bilateral treaties where the Swiss Confederation has adopted various provisions of EU law in order to participate in the Union’s single market. ...

Switzerland is currently at stalemate in its negotiations with the EU after being told it will not be able to access the single market without allowing freedom of movement.
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 24 Jan, 2017 04:00 am
The Supreme Court ruled - by eight to three against government over EU exit - that parliament must have a vote to trigger article 50.

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The UK's highest judicial body dismissed the government's argument that May could simply use executive powers known as "royal prerogative" to invoke Article 50 of the EU's Lisbon Treaty and begin two years of divorce talks.

However, the court rejected arguments that the UK's devolved assemblies in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales should give their assent before Article 50 is invoked.

"The referendum is of great political significance, but the Act of Parliament which established it did not say what should happen as a result," said David Neuberger, President of the Supreme Court which ruled by 8-3 against the government.

"So any change in the law to give effect to the referendum must be made in the only way permitted by the UK constitution, namely by an Act of Parliament."
Source
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Reading the summary, Neuberger [president of the Supreme Court, Lord Neuberger of Abbotsbury] said: “By a majority of eight to three, the supreme court rules that the government cannot trigger article 50 without an act of parliament authorising it to do so.

“Section 2 of the 1972 [European Communities] Act provides that, whenever EU institutions make new laws, those new laws become part of UK law. The 1972 act therefore makes EU law an independent source of UK law, until parliament decides otherwise.

“Therefore, when the UK withdraws from the EU treaties, a source of UK law will be cut off. Further, certain rights enjoyed by UK citizens will be changed. Therefore, the government cannot trigger article 50 without parliament authorising that course.”
Source
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 28 Jan, 2017 01:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,

How to ...
9 ways to explain Brexit to kids – using Minecraft, sausages and cake
ehBeth
 
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Sat 28 Jan, 2017 08:52 am
I found yesterday's press conference with Ms. May and Mr. Trump entertaining - particularly when she said she was going to speak with her "fellow European leaders". Yeah. No. You are not European. You are not a European leader.
saab
 
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Sat 28 Jan, 2017 10:26 am
@ehBeth,
Sorry, but Ms. May is a European as she lives on the European continent.
And she has the right to talk to other fellow European leaders.
If she means EU instead of Europe she did what so many other politicians do
mix up EU and Europe.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 29 Jan, 2017 07:30 am
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The government will pay its top post-Brexit international trade negotiator, tasked with sealing deals from North America to New Zealand, more than the prime minister, according to a job vacancy advertised on an internal civil service website. “Soft” Brexit campaigners say the £160,000 salary is a sign of the struggle the government is having in attracting the skilled staff it needs after decades of trade deals being handled from Brussels. In particular, there are fears the UK’s much-vaunted move to “the front of the queue” for a deal with the Trump administration will see inexperienced officials overwhelmed by tougher US counterparts.

Critics also think the salary is a waste of money for the first two years of the five-year contract because the UK will be unable to reach agreements until the terms of divorce from the EU are finalised in 2019.
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A Whitehall source insisted the salary reflected the “extensive experience” needed for the role. The job description asks for candidates who “have a personal reputation of the highest order among global trade professionals” and who can make sure the department will “develop and negotiate free trade agreements and market access deals with non-EU countries”.

Final interviews for the job will take place in March, when the government will trigger the article 50 process that formalises Brexit negotiations. Fox hired Toby Orr, a senior partner at PR firm Portland, as his department’s director of communications, a role that was advertised with a salary of £120,000.

A spokeswoman for the Department for International Trade says: “The new expert chief trade negotiation adviser will lead and support the establishment of a world-class trade negotiation function as the UK moves towards leaving the EU.

“This role is part of our ongoing recruitment, enabling us to build a team from the widest pool of talent in the civil service and externally, across a range of policy expertise and international experience.”
Source
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Olivier5
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2017 09:11 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
9 ways to explain Brexit to kids


That's easy: it's like playing "hard to get".
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ehBeth
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2017 11:04 am
@saab,
saab wrote:

Sorry, but Ms. May is a European as she lives on the European continent.


did she move?

she doesn't live on a continent as we were taught to define that word
McGentrix
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2017 11:31 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

saab wrote:

Sorry, but Ms. May is a European as she lives on the European continent.


did she move?

she doesn't live on a continent as we were taught to define that word


I am sure Walter will correct you but yes, she does in fact, live on the continent of Europe.

http://cdn.whatarethe7continents.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/continent-of-europe.png

England is an island on the continent which is separated by inter-continental boundaries.

http://cimsec.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/continental-shelf-claims.jpg
Olivier5
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2017 11:56 am
@McGentrix,
If you ever go to the UK, try and convince them that they live on the continent.
ehBeth
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2017 12:19 pm
@Olivier5,
Try to convince UEL members that their ancestors came from the continent. You'd be professionally blackballed in my hometown for talk like that.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2017 12:29 pm
@McGentrix,
I'm rather sure that just a few geography teachers would claim privately that they live on an island of the continent Europe.
That surprised me already more than 50 years ago when I'd been in England [and in an English school] for the first time.
Olivier5
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2017 12:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Anyway, from a tectonic standpoint the European continent does not exist. It's part of Eurasia.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 31 Jan, 2017 01:03 pm
@Olivier5,
http://i65.tinypic.com/mrwx7m.jpg
Published by Johm Melish, 1820 (@ David Rumsey Map Collection)
 

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