Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

@georgeob1,

Well, I think, the Prussians invented our kind of bureaucracy - that's why a "Bürokrat" is a (milder) swearword in German .... and why there is a "Weberian civil service" here and elsewhere.

But actually, those above links prove that the UK's governmental offices are completely overstrained with the government's argy-bargy how to do the Brexit - here: how to handle the legal status of legally residing EU-citizens, now and in future.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Monique Hawkins, who has lived in Britain for 24 years, secures permanent residency a week after the Guardian revealed her plight. (Source)

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Her case shows how ill-equipped the Home Office will be if all EU citizens settled in the UK have to go through the permanent residency process. The Home Office has a backlog of 100,000 applications and says they can take up to six months to process. The 3 million group, which is campaigning for the rights of EU citizens to remain in the country, has calculated that it could take 47 years to process 3 million applications at the current rate.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1cJYZBXUAE44rH.jpg:large

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@McGentrix,

Well, the UK hasn't triggered article 50 until now (thatwill happen later this year, and than we have to add two years for the negotiations) might well be that the UK will have the world's top economy afterwards.
Would be nice for all UK-citizens.

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@McGentrix,

Do you know that doesn't make any sense in macroeconomic terms? They lose comparative advantage, and end up paying more for what they produce themselves. If it's cheaper to make clothing in China at their labor cost, but must now pay for clothes at U.K. labor cost, every piece of clothing will now cost more for everybody in their country. It just doesn't make any sense.

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@cicerone imposter,

Britain can afford isolationism far less than America can. It's a much smaller country.

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@Kolyo,

Don't kid yourself. The US depends on both imports and exports to keep prices competitive. The biggest problem for our country is the increasing deficit. We're going to pay the piper soon or later, and our interest payments are increasing too fast to maintain our current trade deficits.
http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/74cc74ad195a4c2da7035aeb6edb0d33

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@cicerone imposter,

It's foolish enough for America, but isolationism gets worse the smaller a country gets. Beyond David Ricardo's argument for free trade based on comparative advantage, there is also Adam Smith's case for free trade. Basically, the larger the market, the larger the company can grown, and the more the industry can gain from division of labor and economies of scale.

Beyond all that, America could feed itself if it had to, whereas Britain needs to import food.

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@Kolyo,

We still import food from Mexico and Asia, especially in California where we have many Hispanics and Asians.

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The developed (and developing) world has become hightly interconnected over the last six decades and Euriope through the EU far more than any others. International trade has grown significantly as a fraction of total output. Retreating slightly from that does not necessarily constitute "isolationism" whatever that means.

There are pervasive and widespread indications of increased nationalism and a greater desire for autonomy visible around the world, and not just in Europe and the U.S. A. These forces aren't likely to disappear soo, and how they eventually play out apprars very hard to forecast.

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@Kolyo,

Britain's future seems rosy. I hope this scenario follows through the transition.

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@Lash,

Prime Minister: No 'muddled thinking' on Brexit

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The PM told Sky's new Sunday morning politics show Sophy Ridge on Sunday she does not see the decision between trade and immigration during Brexit talks "as a binary issue".

"We will, outside the European Union, be able to have control of immigration and be able to set our rules for people coming to the UK from member states of the European Union," she said.

"We also, as part of that Brexit deal, will be working to get the best possible deal in the trading relationship with the European Union.

"Anybody who looks at this question of free movement and trade as a sort of zero-sum game is approaching it in the wrong way."

Mrs May added that she remains confident the UK will get a good deal on both issues but said that Britain could not hang on to "bits of EU membership".

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@Walter Hinteler,

I think the indicated estimate of te British PM might be very realistic. Even apart from the UK ,there is a rising tide of nationalism across the EU (and the world). It's effects are readily visible in the politics of Hungary, Poland, Italy and even France. In Germany, Chancellor Merkel - a very adroit politician - is having an increasingly difficult time balancing German national interests and sentiment against its traditional loyalty (and self-interest) in sustaining the European Unionm in the face of this issue and the tumult confronting Europe from the Muslim world to the South. The leverager of the EU in this matter may not prove to be as great as presently thought.

No fault-finding here: this is a complex and difficult, still unfolding, situation.

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@georgeob1,

Businesses don't really like the PM's view of the Brexit, e. g. Sir Andrew Cook ( chairman of a British steel company [William Cook Holdings Limited, one of Europe’s leading steel and engineering groups], said the country could 'sleepwalk to disaster' if Theresa May pulls Britain out of the EU's single market. He had previously given Theresa May's party more than £1.2 million ($1,475,000). Now he is saying he “would find it impossible” to keep donating to the party should the prime minister endorse the move that will see the UK exit the EU's single market ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

I think business leaders hate political and economic uncertainty above most things. The Brexit process will be filled with uncertainty for several more months (or more). I susapect that is the prime motivator here. However I have not yet seen any powerful voices, or even as public upsurge, there for undoing their earlier decision.

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Immigration minister Robert Goodwill told a House of Lords Committee earlier today that the Home Office was considering extending incoming charges for non-European recruits to all incoming migrants (= extending the charge to employees from the EU and EEA).
From April onwards, recruiting non-EEA skilled workers will see employers pay a charge of £1,000 per year.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Would that appply to people from Commonwealth countries? That wouldn't seem very fair.

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@Blickers,

Meanwhile, Downing Street has moved to distance itself from a proposal by the immigration minister for a £1,000-a-year levy on every EU skilled worker recruited by British employers after Brexit.

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Would that appply to people from Commonwealth countries? That wouldn't seem very fair.

That was discussed already in 2015 and announced in March 2016.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Quote Walter:

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That was discussed already in 2015 and announced in March 2016.

And what did the announcement say? That the surcharge would apply to workers from the Commonwealth countries or that it would not?

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@Blickers,

I don't think that employees from the Commonwealth countries come from the EU and EEA.

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