@Walter Hinteler,
Quote article:
Quote:Efta currently consists of Norway, Lichtenstein, Switzerland and Iceland. Together with the EU member states they form a trading zone called the European Economic Area.
Interestingly, all Northern and Western European nations.
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:Interestingly, all Northern and Western European nations.
Eh, what do you mean by that response? It's actually all former and present EU (EEC) and EFTA countries
Of the discussions I've read of Europeans unhappy with the EU, much of it is from Northwestern Europeans who think they are paying for Southern Europeans. Liechtenstein is an extremely wealthy principality in Central Western Europe, the rest are Northwest European countries. If the UK joins the EFTA, they get to have access to the European market without being subject to bailing out, (as the disgruntled UK partisans see it), the Southern and Eastern Europeans. This might satisfy the nationalistic desires of the pro-Brexit people in the UK while keeping the UK involved in the European economy.
@Blickers,
Quote:The free movement of persons is one of the core rights guaranteed in the European Economic Area (EEA), the extended Internal Market which unites all the EU Member States and three EEA EFTA States – Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. It is perhaps the most important right for individuals, as it gives citizens of the 31 EEA countries the opportunity to live, work, establish business and study in any of these countries.
Source
I'd thought that "immigration" and free movement was one of the main points.
Some Brexit-ministers are now suggesting that the
UK could pay EU for access to single market
@Walter Hinteler,
Looks like blackmail to me, Walter.
If the EU wants to play this game, then they should have no access to any trade through Britain whatsoever.
@Builder,
I'm not sure if the EU will accept these proposals, but perhaps they'll do, after article 50 is triggered.
@Builder,
Quote Builder:
Quote:If the EU wants to play this game, then they should have no access to any trade through Britain whatsoever.
Nobody's denying Britain the right to trade with EU countries. EU countries trade with non-EU countries all the time. When-or if-the UK leaves the EU, their trading status will be that of a non-EU country and the trade the UK undertakes with EU nations will be on that basis. Unless, of course, the EU joins the EFTA and therefore gains the rights that they have, including free access to the EU market.
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:Nobody's denying Britain the right to trade with EU countries. EU countries trade with non-EU countries all the time.
Indeed - that will be part of the negotiations after article 50 is triggered.
Blickers wrote:Unless, of course, the EU joins the EFTA and therefore gains the rights that they have, including free access to the EU market.
Why should the EU join EFTA? The
European Economic Area (EEA)'s membership is open to member states of either the European Union (EU) or European Free Trade Association (EFTA).
@Walter Hinteler,
Not just my opinion ...
The foreign secretary, Boris Johnson said:
Quote:“That is obviously something that David Davis is considering but it doesn’t mean a decision has been taken … I am not going to get involved in the minutiae of our negotiating position before we trigger article 50.”
Sources and more:
Boris Johnson plays down prospect of EU payments after Brexit
Brexit: Boris Johnson dismisses paying EU ‘large sums’ of money in return for market access
The Government's challenge against the High Court ruling that parliamentary approval is required to start the process of leaving the European Union will be hard tomorrow.
A good summary:
Everything you need to know about the Supreme Court judgment on Brexit
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote Walter:
Quote:Why should the EU join EFTA? The European Economic Area (EEA)'s membership is open to member states of either the European Union (EU) or European Free Trade Association (EFTA).
Oops. I meant if the UK joins the EFTA and gains free trade access to the EU member nations that way.
Quote:
Quote:Brexit: Boris Johnson dismisses paying EU ‘large sums’ of money in return for market access
Looks like the game then is to brand how much constitutes "large". As in, "Heck, if you figure how much we're getting out of this deal, that money ain't nothin' ".
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote: I meant if the UK joins the EFTA and gains free trade access to the EU member nations that way.
I doubt that - as quoted and sourced before (e.g. free movement of persons as one of the principles).
@Walter Hinteler,
Depends if you think the European immigrants were the main issue of the Brexit or the supremacy of the EU courts over UK issues and monetary bailouts of the Southern and Eastern countries were the main issue. A deal where the UK continues to take in immigrants from poorer EU countries but still has most of its court issues settled in UK courts might well be quite attractive to many Brexit supporters. Especially since, economically speaking, the bloom is increasingly going off the Brexit rose.
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:Depends if you think the European immigrants were the main issue of the Brexit or the supremacy of the EU courts over UK issues and monetary bailouts of the Southern and Eastern countries were the main issue.
Well, the immigration issue was the main topic for the Brexit.
The "supremacy of the EU courts over UK issues and monetary bailouts of the Southern and Eastern countries" is somehow wrongly worded since nothing about this has been to the court(s) - it's part of the various EU.treaties and not just related/focused to the "Southern and Eastern countries". (Western and Northern countries often complain about the 'UK-bonus' - but that is part of the treaty as well.)
The result of Italy's recent referendum may portend more tumult within the EU and the Eruozone. It increasingly appears to me that the EU will inexorably have to face the issue of the BREXIt in the context of these other, and apparently growing, internal dividsions.
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:Quote:Britain must understand that there is no “silver bullet” over Brexit that would permit single market access without paying into the EU and being bound by some of its rules, Norway’s foreign minister has warned ahead of a meeting in London.
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Brende added: “We have also implemented all the four freedoms,” referring to the single market principles of the free movement across borders of goods, people, services and capital.
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pretty much defeats the purpose of the Brexit right there
I shouldn't be laughing, but I am.