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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 13 Sep, 2016 12:31 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The Vote Leave’s website said during the referendum campaign: “We will have a new UK-EU treaty based on free trade.”

But today, David Davis, the Brexit secretary, has admitted the UK could have to revert to World Trade Organisation tariffs if it leaves the EU without having struck a trade deal with the bloc.
Davis told a Commons foreign affairs committee hearing on Tuesday: “If you’re after a factual statement of what the outcome could be, I guess it’s what is commonly known in the world at large as World Trade Organisation rules.
“That’s, I guess, the conclusion of what the situation would be if we were outside the union with no deal. But I would not want anyone to think that that was in my view a very likely outcome.” (Source: David Davis admits possibility of UK exiting EU without trade deal)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 03:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
This morning, the president of the European commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, made his annual state of the union address to MEPs in Strasbourg.

The EU president did not dwell on Brexit, but repeated that Britain could not have “à la carte access” to the single market.
Besides that, he spoke about the post-Brexit hate attacks in the UK against (mainly) Polish citizens: “We Europeans can never accept Polish workers being beaten up, harassed or even murdered in the streets of Essex.”

Link: Juncker makes plea for European unity in wake of Brexit vote
Builder
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 03:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
...he spoke about the post-Brexit hate attacks in the UK against (mainly) Polish citizens:


Aren't the Lithuanians a bigger problem in the UK?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 05:05 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Aren't the Lithuanians a bigger problem in the UK?
As far as I know, they didn't kill the Polish but it were native English.
Do you have a source that it were Lithuanians?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 05:19 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Builder wrote:
Aren't the Lithuanians a bigger problem in the UK?
As far as I know, they didn't kill the Polish but it were native English.
Do you have a source that it were Lithuanians?
As far as I could find out via the various news reports and facebook reports by the police, no Lithuanian was involved in the 18t xenophobic attacks against the Polish minority in the UK since the Brexit referendum in June 2016. (One Polish citizen was killed.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 08:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Sabine Weyand, a deputy director general at the commission’s trade department, will take up the post of deputy chief negotiator of the Brexit taskforce from 1 October. The taskforce will be led by the veteran French politician and Brussels insider Michel Barnier, who was appointed in July.

The taskforce “will coordinate the commission’s work on all strategic, operational, legal and financial issues related to these negotiations,” the commission said in a statement.

Weyand, who speaks English and French, has risen through the ranks of the European commission since joining in 1994, after studying for a PhD in European integration. She graduated in political science, English literature and economics, spent a year at Cambridge University and has studied at the College of Europe, the elite training ground for EU civil servants.

Commission officials have stressed that although the taskforce is in place, this does not mean that formal negotiations with the UK will begin soon. Jean-Claude Juncker, the European commission president, has insisted there will be “no negotiations without notification” of article 50, the EU exit clause.

Speaking earlier on Wednesday, Juncker said Brexit would not destroy the EU and repeated his previous warnings that Britain could not have “à la carte access” to the single market.

In a statement announcing Weyand’s appointment, Juncker said the taskforce would be composed of the EU executive’s “best and brightest” and would help Michel Barnier conduct negotiations with the UK effectively, “benefiting from the deep knowledge and rich experience available across the whole commission”.
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 08:35 am
@Builder,
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A number of prominent Leave voters, however, have denied the vote to leave the European Union caused a spike in hate crime. Daniel Hannan, a Conservative MEP, has blamed the media for “jumping on” incidents of abuse that have nothing to do with Brexit.
That might be so.
Or not. Interview with Polish woman on racist abuse in UK interrupted by racist abuse

But I sincerely doubt that Lithuanians are doing it, or the reason why such happened and happens.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 14 Sep, 2016 10:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Substantive Brexit talks between the UK and the rest of the EU are unlikely to start much before the end of 2017, the former European Council president Herman van Rompuy says in an interview with BBC Radio Four's Today programme. BBC report.
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saab
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Jean-Claude Juncker pointed out the racist abuse and hate crime in UK , but did not mention that in the rest of EU there is also an increase in racist abuse and hate crime -
Hate and abuse is wrong where ever it is and no matter from what side it comes.
In one year the racist abuse in Sweden has increased 14% and abuse against Christians has increased with 75%. Also abuse against Jews has gone up.
Builder
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Do you have a source that it were Lithuanians?


Not in this case. I just have friends in Kent who say that the people to fear are the Lithuanians. Ruthless and conniving.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 01:09 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Not in this case. I just have friends in Kent who say that the people to fear are the Lithuanians. Ruthless and conniving.
I hope, they don't considerto kill or hurt them sincerely like it has been with those Polish citizens. (To the latter, it actually just happened because they were foreigners.)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 01:11 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
Jean-Claude Juncker pointed out the racist abuse and hate crime in UK , but did not mention that in the rest of EU there is also an increase in racist abuse and hate crime
Not in this context about Brexit. (Actually, the only time, 'Brexit' was mentioned in his speech yesterday. That's why I mentioned.)

Edit:
The authorised version of Juncker's speech wrote:
We Europeans can never accept Polish workers being harassed, beaten up or even murdered on the streets of Harlow. The free movement of workers is as much a common European value as our fight against discrimination and racism.
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Lash
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 02:25 am
I was just reading an article about Frexit. Looks like dominos are falling.

I see you guys are talking about the speech that was heavily cited in news today. The headline was similar to "Funeral for the EU."

I'll try to bring it and some questions tomorrow. Fascinating times.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 02:57 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
I was just reading an article about Frexit.
The neo-Nazis of Le Pen's party (under both father's and daughter's lead) tried that since decades. (It's called now "EU-relaunch".)
Marie Le Pen wants to start a similar referendum like in the UK when (if) she is President.
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contrex
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 03:47 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Not in this case. I just have friends in Kent who say that the people to fear are the Lithuanians. Ruthless and conniving.

Perhaps you could check the meaning of "conniving" in a dictionary?
Builder
 
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Thu 15 Sep, 2016 04:11 am
@contrex,
Were you trying to make a point, Contrex?

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 16 Sep, 2016 01:51 pm
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There will be no compromising on Britain gaining access to the single market without also allowing freedom of movement, top EU officials said on Friday at an EU summit in Bratislava.
European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker said: "We want to have very good, very close relation with the UK. At the same time, it is not possible for these negotiations to damage our interests."
"Concerning the freedom of movement of workers and of persons... we are sticking to that position and this is not a game between prime ministers leaving and prime ministers remaining, this is about people in Europe," Juncker said.
He added: "So I cannot see any possibility of compromising on that very issue."
Donald Tusk, president of the European Council and chairman of the EU summit, said divorce negotiations should only be held after London says so, and should be held in the interests of the remaining 27 countries, not Britain.
"It's absolutely clear that our procedures, our rules, described very precisely in our treaties, are to protect our interests, of the 27 countries, not the leaving country," Tusk told a news conference in Bratislava.
He also reiterated that talks cannot begin until the British government formally notifies the EU, and added that Prime Minister Theresa May had told him talks may be formally triggered in January or February.
Source
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 18 Sep, 2016 03:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Tory Eurosceptics push for hard Brexit
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Leave means Leave campaign demands exit from the EU’s single market and end to free movement

Leading Conservative Eurosceptics have formed a new lobby group to push for a hard Brexit, including leaving the European single market and ending free movement.

The campaign, Leave means Leave, could provoke fresh unrest on the Tory backbenches for Theresa May, pushing her government to take a no compromise approach to negotiations with the EU.

Leading Tory MPs form the political advisory board, including those pushed out of government by May such as former justice minister Dominic Raab. Others include the former environment secretary Owen Paterson, Sir Gerald Howarth, the former defence minister, and outspoken Eurosceptic Peter Bone.

Property tycoon Richard Tice will chair the group, which has set up headquarters in Westminster. It warned in a report published on Sunday that Britain must “leave the world’s least successful economic zone – the single market”.

The group recommends that if no deal can be done the UK should leave the EU without a trade deal and rely on World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules while free trade deals are negotiated with other countries.

... ... ...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 19 Sep, 2016 12:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Embassies report rise in alleged hate crimes in UK since Brexit vote
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European embassies in Britain have logged dozens of incidents of suspected hate crime and abuse against their citizens since the vote to leave the European Union, according to figures obtained by the Guardian.
[...]
Embassy breakdown of reported xenophobic incidents since the referendum
Poland 31 incidents reported as hate crimes. As well as the killing of Jóźwik they include eight assaults, including attacks on Polish men in Yeovil, St Ives and Leeds; seven attacks on Polish homes and businesses; and four cases of abusive graffiti, including messages scrawled on the front door of the Polish Cultural Association in Hammersmith, west London, and on a war memorial in Portsmouth. The 31 cases include six reports of fresh abuse in longstanding complaints about intimidation from neighbours that predate the referendum.

Lithuania 10 incidents of alleged hate crimes, five of which are being investigated by the police. They include a shooting at a Lithuanian home in Lurgan, Northern Ireland, on 5 September. Other incidents of alleged abuse have been reported in Peterborough, Kings Lynn and Boston, where many Lithuanians work as agricultural labourers. A spokesman said: “The Lithuanian community is very concerned [by] the surge of hate attacks after the referendum.”

Lithuania’s deputy foreign minister, Mantvydas Bekešius, has raised the issue with the Foreign Office. He said Lithuanian children in UK schools had been verbally abused not just by other pupils but by parents and even teachers since the referendum.

Latvia Six incidents of alleged xenophobic abuse and harassment, in Nottingham, London, Bristol, Wellingborough, Yorkshire and South Shields. The worst incident involved a break-in at a home in Nottingham where a Latvian family were branded “******* immigrants” and told to leave the UK. The embassy also reported that Latvians had been refused service at a post office in London and at a mobile phone shop in Bristol in the days after the vote.

Sweden “Around five” incidents of verbal abuse. A spokesman said: “That’s a big increase, because we haven’t really seen abuse against Swedish citizens in recent memory. It is obviously linked to the referendum, because phrases like ‘go home’ were used.”

Finland Until the referendum, no Finns had been involved in xenophobic incidents. Since the vote, there have been four incidents, including a mother being told “Poles go home” when she was overheard speaking to her children.

Romania On 8 July, a Romanian shop in Norwich was torched in what Norfolk police are treating as a hate crime. The embassy also reported “a few” other xenophobic incidents, but declined to give details.

Bulgaria One “xenophobia-motivated” attack against a Bulgarian national in the UK. The embassy refused to provide details.

Hungary A “marginal number” of inquiries expressing fear after the referendum.

The embassies of Belgium, Greece, Germany, France, Denmark, Cyprus, Austria, Spain and Estonia reported no abuse of their citizens in the UK.
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saab
 
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Mon 19 Sep, 2016 01:21 am
Insults and hate crimes existed also before the Brexit and not just in UK, but in almost every country in EU.
If it is more or less after Brexit I do not know, but it is reported to the embassies, and I do think one did that a couple of years ago.
What also plays a role is that soicety has become much more aggresive all together.
 

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