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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Foofie
 
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Fri 9 Sep, 2016 12:32 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
The culture would eventually, in my opinion, be watered down, as young people take jobs on the continent and return with a different mindset, what I don't know;
And why, do you think, such would start now and not 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago? And what about the hundred thousands of more senior UK-citizens living and working in continental Europe?


Not start now at all; however, increase in momentum, like the snowball rolling downhill. If you don't agree, fine.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 9 Sep, 2016 12:46 pm
@Foofie,
This has nothing to do if I agree or not - I just wanted to know why you came to such an opinion.

It was interesting, thank you.
Foofie
 
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Fri 9 Sep, 2016 01:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

This has nothing to do if I agree or not - I just wanted to know why you came to such an opinion.

It was interesting, thank you.


Because I value the British culture. You see, there's an old joke in New york amongst some Jews from a bygone era (the one's that came pre-Soviet Union). That is: Dress British; think Yiddish. That is a formula for success supposedly; just a joke. Regardless, the British being the ancestors of America's WASP's (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants) became the role model of my parent's generation. Many other ethnics were happy to work on America's assembly lines, while Jews were busy trying to get into colleges. In other words, I wouldn't like to see the British turn into watered down lemonade as an anology. They were the role model for many a Jewish American. If you remember, German Jews back in the 19th century, were the role model for Russian Jews. That's how they wound up with all those German surnames, when a Czar mandated that Jews needed to adopt last names.

And, as I've mentioned recently here, many American Jewish males, during the post WWII era, were given British first names (Harry, Stanley, Barry, Irving, etc.), to the point that many thought those were Jewish first names. Likely the Balfour Declaration was what motivated that Anglophilism?
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 9 Sep, 2016 01:58 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
And, as I've mentioned recently here, many American Jewish males, during the post WWII era, were given British first names (Harry, Stanley, Barry, Irving, etc.), to the point that many thought those were Jewish first names. Likely the Balfour Declaration was what motivated that Anglophilism?


I didn't know that. Thanks for the information because I have thought that Harry and Irving were predominantly Jewish names. My boss' name at Florsheim Shoes was Harry. BTW, he was a great boss. I was the first Asian to work in management for the company.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 9 Sep, 2016 02:07 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
Beginning with the Babylonian Exile, non-Jewish names found their way into the Jewish given name lexicon and occupied varying positions of importance, depending on which category of Jew adopted them, in which time period they were adopted, and in which country they were chosen.
[...]
During the massive immigrations 1881-1914 from Europe to the US, certain English names were very popular among the immigrants. There was a definite statistical linkage between each of these English names and the Jewish names which the immigrants had in Europe, and this linkage can be useful in genealogical research. The same was true of immigrants to other English-speaking countries.
Source: The nature of Jewish given names
Foofie
 
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Fri 9 Sep, 2016 02:50 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Quote:
Beginning with the Babylonian Exile, non-Jewish names found their way into the Jewish given name lexicon and occupied varying positions of importance, depending on which category of Jew adopted them, in which time period they were adopted, and in which country they were chosen.
[...]
During the massive immigrations 1881-1914 from Europe to the US, certain English names were very popular among the immigrants. There was a definite statistical linkage between each of these English names and the Jewish names which the immigrants had in Europe, and this linkage can be useful in genealogical research. The same was true of immigrants to other English-speaking countries.
Source: The nature of Jewish given names


But, it doesn't explain why. I have an English first name, my grandfather from Czarist Russia was Max(Maximillan) - German.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 9 Sep, 2016 10:49 pm
The media report that Britain's might have to pay for visas when entering EU-countries after Brexit.
That wouldn't be surprising due to the status then, but I doubt it.

Before the UK joined the EEC/EU, there was a similar situation.
(A bit different for us: we could use our ID-card, but had to get a so-called 'visitor's card' or the entrance/exit stamp in the passport.)
saab
 
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Fri 9 Sep, 2016 11:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The entrance/exit stamp in passports were not just for UK. That was for every country you travelled in and out of for several years.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 12:55 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
The entrance/exit stamp in passports were not just for UK. That was for every country you travelled in and out of for several years.
I don't know that from personal experiences since I always and only used my ID-card (besides travelling through the GDR and to East-Berlin).
The UK was the only country where you needed an additional "traveller card" when entering with an ID-card.
saab
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 01:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Scandinavians do not have an ID card like you Germans. But lately one can get a ID card, but it is nothing you have to have
We had to use a passport and got stamps travelling thru Europe.
How and since when the Germans did it with just a ID card and without stamps I do not know.
Since 1954 we could travel passport free within Scandinavia as Scandinavians.
Before that we got stamps in the passports too.
contrex
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 02:28 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
I wouldn't like to see the British turn into watered down lemonade as an anology.

This stereotype of "the British" that you keep bringing up bears no relationship to reality. I guess it is a product of Hollywood and TV. I have said this before. If it ever did relate to a real thing, that has been eroded since perhaps the death of Queen Victoria, gathering pace in the 20th century, especially the latter part, and especially the last 2 decades. We aren't "watered down lemonade", we're a rich pot-pourri of multiple ethnicities. Most of us are heartily glad that this is so, and don't want to go back, which i impossible anyway.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:14 am
@contrex,
Just try lemon cordial Wink
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 03:17 am
@saab,
I wasn't referring to the ID-card generally but especially that opposite to visiting other ("neighbouring") European countries we needed additionally a visitors card before being allowed to enter the UK, until they joined the EEC/EU.
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contrex
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 04:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Just try lemon cordial Wink

In a TV comedy series of the 1990s, "Fist of Fun", there is a character called Simon Quinlank, King of Hobbies, played by Kevin Eldon. He is a very recognisable stereotype (which is why he is so funny) who embodies a lot of elements such as the "English eccentric", the anorak-wearing trainspotter, birdwatcher, obsessive hobbyist etc. He is possibly on the spectrum. He is, above all, a complete "plank", (which coveniently rhymes with his surname). When he goes out and about pursuing his latest hobby, he makes sure he has an adequate supply of his favourite "weak lemon drink". Michael Gove reminds me of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1xjcyyuDM0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzPqpbGEJBM

I once worked with a guy who was a bit like him - he proudly told us he was a vampire (in a role-playing group) and grew his fingernails like claws. I was bemused to see him coming into work on a day he had booked as holiday. He had a shopping trolley with him. He had arranged the day off for (among other things) going to Sainsbury's (a supermarket) and buying 16 (sixteen!) two-litre bottles of their own-brand cloudy lemonade drink, which he was bringing into work to put under his desk to drink during the forthcoming month. I wondered why he didn't vary his stock a bit - some Pepsi maybe, or Tizer, or Irn Bru? No, came the reply, it has to be Sainsbury's cloudy lemonade. He was crazy as a loon, but very good at his job.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Qpz3Ps-ePHw/TZyjlgZum_I/AAAAAAAAAek/ZgBRKEvcekk/s1600/Sainsbury%2527s+Cloudy+Lemonade.jpg
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Setanta
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 04:45 am
@contrex,
Foofie is a turd stirrer--it doesn't know anything about history, or current events, or other nations, or any of the other topics upon which it pontificates. It's just trying to get a rise of of someone . . . anyone.
contrex
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 04:51 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Foofie is a turd stirrer--it doesn't know anything about history, or current events, or other nations, or any of the other topics upon which it pontificates. It's just trying to get a rise of of someone . . . anyone.

I guess that's why it never answers challenges that are made to its nonsense.
Setanta
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 04:58 am
@contrex,
Yeah, it has already gotten it's jolies.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 06:07 am
@Setanta,
I would miss it! Wink
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 06:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Re.reading the reports: the proposed ETIAS scheme is a Schengen/non-Schengen issue rather than an EU/non-EU issue, in theory it could take effect while UK is still a member.
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Foofie
 
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Sat 10 Sep, 2016 02:21 pm
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

Foofie wrote:
I wouldn't like to see the British turn into watered down lemonade as an anology.

... We aren't "watered down lemonade", we're a rich pot-pourri of multiple ethnicities. Most of us are heartily glad that this is so, and don't want to go back, which i impossible anyway.




Reread. I WOULDN'T WANT the British to turn into watered down lemonade, as an analogy. That means they are not NOW watered down lemonade; but, in my opinion that could be in the future if they just think of themselves as EU Europeans. My opinion, obviously, so you needn't take umbrage.
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