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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
ehBeth
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jul, 2016 05:40 pm
@Tes yeux noirs,
He really saved our Canadian cans before and during the recession.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 6 Jul, 2016 04:21 am
Quote:
Britain cannot leave the European Union without a vote in parliament, Government lawyers have said.

Although the prime minister could trigger the two-year process of negotiating the UK's withdrawal without a formal Act of Parliament, MPs would have to vote to repeal legislation relating to the EU.

Oliver Letwin, the Cabinet minister in charge of leaving the EU, has said the legal advice is that Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty can be invoked without parliamentary approval under the royal prerogative, The Guardian reports.

Once triggered, Article 50 will begin the process of Britain leaving the EU.

However, MPs would have to vote to repeal the European Communities Act 1972 through an Act of Parliament.
Source
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 07:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The Government has refused to support a motion passed in the House of Commons calling for EU nationals to be guaranteed the right remain in Britain following the vote for Brexit.

A total of 325 Tories failed to turn up for Wednesday's debate, which saw 245 MPs demand protection for European citizens to just two opponents from the Ulster Unionist Party.

Douglas Carswell, Ukip’s only MP, was among those voicing his support for the Labour motion alongside the Scottish National Party, Liberal Democrats Green Party, Plaid Cymru and others.
Source
(Some time ago, Farage suggested that Carswell should be kicked out of the party.)
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 09:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
On Sept. 9, May or Leadsom will be prime minister.
Both said they want access to the EU market in goods, services and capital and will respect the vote for an end to EU law in Britain and fewer EU immigrants.

An ITV-report with details: May vs Leadsom: Where the Tory leadership candidates stand on key issues
ehBeth
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 09:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
What a surprise. Everyone wants to keep the good stuff and not take on any responsibility.

Evil or Very Mad
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 09:47 am
@ehBeth,
PM Cameron selected Sir Julian Beresford King, until now British Ambassador to France, as the new British EU-commissioner. (King hold several higher positons within the EU before already.)
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 09:48 am
@ehBeth,
It appears to me that many in the UK want instead to take on more responsibility for their own lives and delegate less of it to the EU. The UK is not entirely alone in this, and there are some real and growing excesses in the intrusiveness of EU legislation and rule making which have caused discord from the UK to France, Hungary and Italy. Punishing the UK for its decision will do nothing to enhance the goals of the EU.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 09:54 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Punishing the UK for its decision will do nothing to enhance the goals of the EU.
I'm not sure what you mean with "punishing" here, George.
Should the UK be rewarded because they leave? Why should they get a better position than members - be it with the EU or EEA?
ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 10:00 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Punishing the UK for its decision


they shouldn't be rewarded for it

they're trying to keep rights without accepting responsibilities

it is not reasonable to think that is acceptable
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 10:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
As an aside: Andrea Leadsom says she'll bring back fox hunting to improve animal welfare.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 10:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
An opinion: Leadsom is best bet to stay in EU – but at huge cost
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saab
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 10:17 am
@ehBeth,
A few years ago before EU got to be reality it was European Economic Community
Not everyone wanted a European Union.
Denmark, France ,Neatherlands ,Ireland voted at that time against EU. The rest was not even asked.
The way it is run today many are very sceptical even if they do not want to leave.
What do you mean by not taking any responsibility?
Look at Greece or Italy or Spain. Poor countries with plenty of refugees.
Sweden has per capita taken more than the rest of EU. More than they could handle.
German invited not only Syrian refugees but thousands of others and then just tell rest of EU to take what they cannot handle. And makes a deal with Erdogan.
The smaller countries feel they are not always treated fair by the big ones Germany and France.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 10:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
Punishing the UK for its decision will do nothing to enhance the goals of the EU.
I'm not sure what you mean with "punishing" here, George.
Should the UK be rewarded because they leave? Why should they get a better position than members - be it with the EU or EEA?


I didn't suggest that they ( the UK) get a "better position than members", though I suppose a lot depends on how one defines such an outcome. The EU is a free association of sovereign states, which has over the past two decades expanded its reach and rule through administrative Treaty actions, while learning to avoid democratic processes with their uncertain and, as it turned out, sometimes disappointing consequences. That was an effective strategy for a while but it had some side effects and consequences which are increasingly being felt across the EU, and not just in the UK.

I was perhaps a bit unfair to ebeth, in that she wrote "Everyone wants to keep the good stuff and not take on any responsibility", which I assumed applied only to the British. But this is a statement which, on the face of it, applies to everyone involved on both sides of the issue. If that's what she meant, then I fully agree.

I believe the EU, with or without the UK needs to resolve issues of ambiguously shared sovereignty and a number of the economic contradictions attendant its increasingly specific authoritarian rule. I fear that, if it fails to do so, we will see more fractures in the union. That would benefit no one.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 11:17 am
@georgeob1,
It would have been nice, if the UK had had and has now a plan what could and should happen after they've left the EU.
georgeob1
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 11:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I think that statement could apply equally well to both parties in this matter.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 11:38 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
I think that statement could apply equally well to both parties in this matter.
The UK wants to leave, it's not the EU cancelled the membership.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 11:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I fully agree. However the EU is indeed a party to the event , and the factors behind it are not exclusive to the UK. Such a childish attitude on the part of the EU (if that indeed is the case) will do no one any good. This problem has been building for decades and we have discussed it many times.
saab
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 12:11 pm
@georgeob1,
It is so easy to blame Brexit on GB. One can blame a lot on EU too if not even more.
EU have the last eight years gone from one disaster to another one.
EU has forgotten that there are people out there is EU.
How come if you look at the different countries it is close to fifty/fifty in pro and contra (or at least sceptical to very sceptical) if everybody was so pleased with EU.
How come that after Brexit more Germans (52%) find EU better???? Are they so happy UK left?
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 12:42 pm
@saab,
saab wrote:
It is so easy to blame Brexit on GB.
Blame or not blame - the voters in the UK voted for "Brexit".
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 8 Jul, 2016 12:44 pm
@saab,
saab wrote:
How come that after Brexit more Germans (52%) find EU better???? Are they so happy UK left?
How does a lower percentage of Germans being favourite with the EU shows that they are happy about the UK leaving the UK?
 

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