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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 07:41 am
@Lash,
Actually it was a this was finding by a panel of 21 scientists of the European Food Safety Authority’s panel on Dietetic Products, Nutrition and Allergies
The summary of their finding: "Reduced water content in the body is a symptom of dehydration rather than a risk factor that drinking water could control."

I prefer reading the original source instead of gossips:
Scientific Opinion on the substantiation of a health claim related to water and reduced risk of development of dehydration and of concomitant decrease of performance pursuant to Article 14 of Regulation (EC) No 1924/2006

Lash
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 07:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I guess I'm in the group that agrees you shouldn't pay 21 scientists to dicker about whether someone should be able to say, "Drink water. It helps you avoid dehydration."

Is that how the EU spends the people's money? ****. I bet my stupid government does that too. And to hell with them.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 07:52 am
@Lash,
They were asked by the German consumer associations.

The UK's Advertising Standards Authority (ASA has banned this week a TV ad for Nurofen for misleading viewers with claims it has special painkilling powers.)
It will take some years, until it's a common rule in the EU - like the claim with the water.

You can laugh about such, but not only consumer organisations aplaude.
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Blickers
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 08:09 am
@AugustineBrother,
Quote AugustineBrother:
Quote:
I think that since the margin was 4% it was odious Mr Obama's finger-pointing that did it. I guess we will never know for sure .But he was repulsive the way he acted. The Queen Mother certainly can't stand him.

Dude, the Queen Mother died in 2002.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 09:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
If you want to know a the background, it' written in this report:
Bottled water industry: EFSAhydration claim rejection won't affect us
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saab
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 10:22 am
I would say there is a damn big difference in saying a painkiller is a proven painkiller and say water helps against dehyderation.
That water helps , even the smallest animal drinks water but does not know why and we humans know why and have known it for thousands of years.
When EU comes up with new ideas - at least they should present them so the people does not have to take it a joke.
Presenting pages of sientific bla bla does not help at all as the majority does not feel like reading things they do not understand anyway or knew very well already.
georgeob1
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 10:30 am
@saab,
I think the point here is that some organs of the EU bureaucracy are apparently given to investigating the veracity of tautologies.
saab
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 10:37 am
@georgeob1,
Please tell me what this means
Quote:
the veracity of tautologies.

I do not care if it is sientificly proven - I just want to understand
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 10:59 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
I would say there is a damn big difference in saying a painkiller is a proven painkiller and say water helps against dehyderation.

Obviously, you didn't read the links.

And 'yes', it is about the same.
saab
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 11:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I read the first one and it did not in any way make me interested enough to grasp anything
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 11:07 am
@saab,
If you would have read the second link, you would understand that drinking a mineral water isn't a medication to avoid hydration as a general painkiller isn't a special medicine against back pain.
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georgeob1
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 11:20 am
@saab,
A Tautology is a statement that is necessarily true by virtue of its content and structure. Dehydration is a reference to a shortage of water in the body. The remedy is drinking water or in an emergency getting it by IV addition.

Only a mindless bureaucracy, obsessed with a tangle of rules of its own creation, would conduct such an investigation.

Sadly such things are not exclusive to the EU - most governments indulge in such nonsense to some degree.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 11:24 am
@georgeob1,
Too true! That's what the two professors proved.

On the other side, you get so-called "Heilwasser" now in supermarkets and not only in pharmacies/drug stores here.
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Tes yeux noirs
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 11:49 am
@georgeob1,
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Quote:
Only a mindless bureaucracy, obsessed with a tangle of rules of its own creation, would conduct such an investigation

Only a mindless fool would mouth off without actually finding out what really happened. The European Food Safety Authority was asked to rule on several ways of wording the statement that drinking water is good for hydration and therefore good for health. It rejected some wordings on technicalities, but it has supported claims that drinking water is good for normal physical and cognitive functions and normal thermoregulation. All governments, whether national or supranational, have laws covering what claims can be made by manufacturers of foods and medicines.

cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 11:50 am
@Tes yeux noirs,
Good, clean, drinking water is necessary for life. It's not a choice.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 11:58 am
@Tes yeux noirs,
Tes yeux noirs wrote:
All governments, whether national or supranational, have laws covering what claims can be made by manufacturers of foods and medicines.
Which isn't liked by some generally and a few here.
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Tes yeux noirs
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 12:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Good, clean, drinking water is necessary for life. It's not a choice.

No-one is arguing about that. It's about bottled water companies making claims in advertising and labelling that are misleading or unfounded. There is no evidence that bottled water products are better for you than water from the tap (faucet), indeed it could be worse for you. Bottled water samples can contain phthalates, mould, microbes, benzene, trihalomethanes, even arsenic. And only recently did the American FDA start regulating bottled water for E. Coli, thanks to advocacy by the Natural Resources Defense Council. Also companies tend to over claim health benefits from drinking water. People need about 2.5 litres of water a day. Most of this quantity is contained in prepared foods. Water is present in fruits and vegetables. It’s in juice, it’s in beer, it’s even in tea and coffee. Before anyone says that coffee is going to dehydrate you, research shows that’s not true either. Contrary to many stories you may hear, there’s no real scientific proof that, for otherwise healthy people, drinking extra water has any health benefits. For instance, reviews have failed to find that there’s any evidence that drinking more water keeps skin hydrated and makes it look healthier or wrinkle free.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 12:12 pm
@Tes yeux noirs,
So true. I found out many years ago that the quality of our water in Sunnyvale meets and exceeds all government standards. However, my wife still buys bottled water.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 12:21 pm
"There is a lot of misunderstanding about this claim rejection but fundamentally it was submitted under the wrong article" (from the above linked source).

Such mistakes are even made by specialists like Prof. Dr. Moritz Hagenmeyer, a specialist lawyer for the protection of intellectual property, university lecturer in food law, editor of the German Food Law Review and co-editor of the European Food & Feed Law Review.
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saab
 
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Fri 1 Jul, 2016 12:35 pm
I really only drink tap water just like most Swedes I know. I am always suprised to see all the bottles of water Germans buy. Someone I know rent out their summercabin and one German family brought tab water for two weeks - bottled water they could buy in Sweden.
Not only am I sceptical to all the promises I get about drinking bottled water but I also think about the pollution they cause. Transportation, cleaning bottles or throwing them away.
 

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