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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 May, 2019 12:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
https://i.imgur.com/22foQ4W.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 May, 2019 01:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
On the night before the nationwide European elections that were not meant to happen, Commons leader Andrea Leadsom quits government over Brexit.

And PM May didn't resign nor signal that she would do it. She had "turned 10 Downing Street into her own private panic room" as some commentators said today.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 22 May, 2019 11:50 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
In Great Britain (and the Netherlands), of all places, the European elections begin today.
That will decide PM' May's future as head of party and government.

The British newspapers are merciless: "Theresa May faces the final curtain", "Prime Minister in hiding", "May retreats to her bunkers", "Tearesa", "How much more can she take" ....

Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 May, 2019 12:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May is expected on Friday to announce her departure from office, The Times reported, without citing a source.

May will remain as prime minister while her successor is elected in a two-stage process under which two final candidates face a ballot of 125,000 Conservative Party members, the newspaper said.
reuters
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 May, 2019 05:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The government says the publication of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill will not now take place until early June.

The prime minister is continuing to face pressure from her own MPs to resign following her pledge of a "new deal" on Brexit.

It comes after Commons leader Andrea Leadsom stepped down on Wednesday night over the PM's Brexit policy.

Several cabinet ministers have also told the BBC that Mrs May cannot stay in her post.

Standing in for Mrs Leadsom, Mark Spencer told the Commons: "We will update the House on the publication and introduction of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill on our return from the Whitsun recess."

He added that the government planned to publish the bill in the first week of June.

"We had hoped to hold second reading on Friday 7 June," he added.

"At the moment, we have not secured agreement to this in the usual channels. Of course we will update the House when we return from recess."

On Wednesday, Theresa May told the Commons that the legislation would be published on Friday.

Earlier, Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said she would still be PM when President Trump visits the UK in early June.

Responding to a question after a speech at the National Cyber Security Centre, he said: "Theresa May will be prime minister to welcome him and rightly so."

It is possible for Mrs May to quit as Conservative leader before Mr Trump's visit, but continue as prime minister on a caretaker basis.
BBC
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 May, 2019 11:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
In order to take part in the European elections in the UK, EU citizens needed to have returned a UC1 form by 7 May to their local authority, declaring they would not vote in another EU member state.

As a result of the Brexit dilemma, the "very short notice" from the government about the UK's participation in the elections had an impact on the process - many EU-citizens complained of receiving the form late and of it not being processed by their local authority in time or to be send back by polling officials.
Thousands of people have been affected.
Quote:
An Electoral Commission spokesman said it understood the frustration of people who had been unable to vote.

It said it had made the case for the process for EU citizens to vote in the UK to be made easier, but it would require changes to the law from government and Parliament.

A spokesman added: "The very short notice from the government of the UK's participation in these elections impacted on the time available for awareness of this process amongst citizens, and for citizens to complete the process.

"EU citizens' right to vote in the election in their home member state remains unaffected by the change in the UK's participation; in order to do so, they would need to be registered in that country in accordance with that country's process and timetable."
BBC
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 03:48 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Theresa May has bowed to intense pressure from her own party and named 7 June as the day she will step aside as Conservative leader, drawing her turbulent three-year premiership to a close.
[...]
Her fate was sealed after a 10-point “new Brexit deal”, announced in a speech on Tuesday, infuriated Tory backbenchers and many of her own cabinet – while falling flat with the Labour MPs it was meant to persuade.

The leader of the House of Commons, Andrea Leadsom, resigned on Wednesday, rather than present the Brexit bill to parliament.

A string of other cabinet ministers had also expressed concerns, including Sajid Javid, Jeremy Hunt, Chris Grayling and David Mundell.

In particular, they rejected May’s promise to give MPs a vote on a second referendum as the Brexit bill passed through parliament, and implement the result – which they felt came too close to endorsing the idea.

The prime minister will remain in Downing Street, to shoulder the blame for what are expected to be dire results for her party at Thursday’s European elections – and to host Donald Trump when he visits.
... ... ...
The Guardian
Lash
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 04:57 am
Sad for her today, but right idea. Give someone else a go at getting this done.
tsarstepan
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 05:38 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Sad for her today, but right idea. Give someone else a go at getting this done.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Really? Really? ((chuckles to self as walking away and shaking my head))
tsarstepan
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 05:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Quote:
Theresa May has bowed to intense pressure from her own party and named 7 June as the day she will step aside as Conservative leader, drawing her turbulent three-year premiership to a close.
[...]

The only way to top this news is finding out that her replacement will finally euthanize the Brexit project when he or she figures out that's one of the worst directions for the UK since Neville Chamberlain....
oralloy
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 06:08 am
@tsarstepan,
Neville Chamberlain gets a bum rap. The UK was in no position to fight Germany at first, and needed time to build up their arms.

Chamberlain staved off the Germans diplomatically while building up the UK's fighting strength as fast as he could. His actions actually saved the UK.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 06:20 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Give someone else a go at getting this done.
You might have forgotten that May isn't the "Brexit-President" but the head of Her Majesty's Government and the leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party.
It's just an easy "give someone else a go at getting this done" but it involves quite a bit.

There is still a lot of speculation, who will run for the Tory leadership, but quite a few have already announced that they will.
Quite a few have announced on the other side that they will leave the party if e.g. Boris became the leader.

The Conservative party chairman Brandon Lewis and the vice-chairs of the 1922 Committee, Cheryl Gillan and Charles Walker, have issued a joint statement setting out the process for selecting a successor to Theresa May:
- The timetable to select a new leader has been decided by the executive of the 1922 Committee after consultation with the party board, which includes representatives of the voluntary, parliamentary and professional party.
- Nominations will close in the week commencing 10 June, before "successive rounds of voting will take place until a final choice of candidates to put to a vote of all party members is determined".
- "We expect that process to be concluded by the end of June, allowing for a series of hustings around the UK for members to meet and question the candidates, then cast their votes in time for the result to be announced before parliament rises for the summer," they say.

So they should have a new leader by mid-July.

Could be that she/he will become the new PM as well. It could be, too, that there will be an immediate general election.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 06:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
EU leaders stick to Brexit guns as they prepare for 'different breed' of PM
Quote:
Bloc united in respect for May and refusal to budge on withdrawal agreement

EU leaders are to hold emergency talks next week as they prepare for a “different breed” of Brexiter to replace Theresa May as Britain’s prime minister.

A dinner to discuss candidates for top EU jobs following the European elections is to be hijacked by the Brexit saga as concerns grow that May’s resignation had increased the risk of a no-deal withdrawal.

The French president, Emmanuel Macron, called for urgent clarity from London shortly after May’s Downing Street statement.

“It is too early to speculate on the consequences of this decision,” the Élysée Palace said in a statement. “The principles of the European Union will continue to apply, including the priority to preserve the smooth functioning of the EU, which requires a quick clarification.”

A spokesman for Angela Merkel, who disclosed the plans to hold talks on the “next steps” in Brussels on Tuesday evening, said the German chancellor had noted May’s planned departure with respect and that the repercussions would depend on developments in British domestic politics.

Shortly after May’s announcement that she was to resign as party leader on 7 June , the bloc’s leaders spoke as one in reasserting their refusal to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement.

Mark Rutte, the Dutch prime minister, offered his thanks to May, but added: “The agreement reached between the EU and the United Kingdom for an ordered Brexit remains on the table.”

A spokeswoman for Jean-Claude Juncker said the European commission president had followed May’s tearful statement “without personal joy”, and described her as a “very courageous woman”.

She added that Juncker would treat any new prime minister with the respect shown to May, but that the commission’s position on negotiations being closed would not change.

Austria’s chancellor, Sebastian Kurz, said May had been a “principled and headstrong” prime minister and spoke of his hope that “reason will prevail in the UK and that her successor will see to an orderly Brexit”.

Ireland’s deputy prime minister, Simon Coveney, said: “Anything is possible now, but Britain needs to be careful. From an EU perspective I think patience has run out in many ways.

“From my point of view, I do not imagine the European Union proposing to a new prime minister a better deal or a very different agreement. This idea that a new prime minister would be a more demanding negotiator and that he could get a better EU deal for Britain is not the way the EU works.”

The Spanish government described May’s decision to resign as bad news that would significantly raise the prospect of a hard Brexit.

“A hard Brexit in these circumstance seems an almost unstoppable reality,” the government’s spokewoman, Isabel Celaá, said at a press conference. She said the announcement would disappoint all those who want an orderly UK exit , but that Spain had contingency measures in place and would do everything possible to “guarantee the best situation” for Spanish citizens and businesses in the UK.

An EU official said the “almost consensus analysis” was that May would be replaced by a hard Brexiter. “Mentally we have to prepare for a different breed on the other side of the table,” one senior official said. “The Tory party will be in survival mode and in order to survive it will have to regain credibility as the party of Brexit.”

It is feared that a departure without a deal is more likely because a new prime minister’s room for manoeuvre would be “exhausted or close to exhausted”, the source said. “The Tory party will want to realise Brexit before the next general election and that’s why the prospect of a no-deal Brexit is again gaining more importance, even if the Westminster parliament wants to prevent no deal.

“We would be really stupid if we had refused the reasonable negotiators and now suddenly reopen the door” to Boris Johnson, who is favourite to win the Tory leadership contest. “I don’t think so.”

A senior EU diplomat also said it was unthinkable that leaders such as Macron would offer Johnston more than May. “It is fundamental question of our credibility at a time when the EU needs to hold the line, against populists, Donald Trump on trade and Russia. Will we it throw all away just to help a Brexiter like Boris Johnson? Can you see President Macron doing that?”.

The continuing political instability in London instead risks pushing EU capitals towards taking Macron’s tough position that a further Brexit extension beyond 31 October threatens to “poison” the bloc’s institutions.

Those willing to countenance rejecting a further extension request are not yet, however, believed to be in the majority. “It really depends a lot on Britain, but I don’t think the large majority [of EU member states] will fundamentally oppose an extension,” a source said. “As long as Britain works constructively in order not to disrupt the work of the European Union, I don’t really see the balance of opinion changing in the council.”

Fabian Zuleeg, the chief executive of the European Policy Centre thinktank, said that even in the event of Boris Johnson becoming leader the reaction from the EU27 would depend on his attitude toward the withdrawal agreement.

The EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, tweeted: “I would like to express my full respect for [Theresa May] and for her determination, as prime minister, in working towards the UK’s orderly withdrawal from the EU.”
Olivier5
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 07:08 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Likely, the new PM is going to start everything from scratch, ask for another extension, etc... Rolling Eyes

Walt, you're doing a great job at following this never ending Brexit story... I'll send a crate of prosseco your way once it's over.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 09:49 am
@Olivier5,
Thanks - but I don't drink alcohol. (Une boîte d'Orangina - mais dans la bouteille en verre - serait bien.)

Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 09:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Related to the current situation in the UK and this thread:
Die Zeit looks at European voting patterns in the runup to this weekend’s European elections: the interactive map categorises each national political party on a spectrum from extreme left to extreme right and maps which political category received the most votes on a regional basis. "What immediately becomes clear: Europe is a colourful place. From leftist-socialist to far right-nationalist, the continent is home to an extremely broad political spectrum - and every political creed is in the majority somewhere."

Elections in the EU: Europe from Left to Right
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oralloy
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 10:06 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Likely, the new PM is going to start everything from scratch, ask for another extension, etc... Rolling Eyes

While none of the proposed options got a majority in Parliament, there was a definite preference for the Customs Union option. And a definite preference for having the voters approve the final option in a second referendum.

Based solely on the principles of democracy, that would seem like the obvious course to follow.

Simply reaching an agreement with the EU to "leave the Common Market but stay in the Customs Union" and having a public referendum to ratify the decision shouldn't take long.

Of course, they would still have to figure out what to do in Northern Ireland with a Customs Union option, and that'll be a mess to sort out.

And after so many politicians on all sides have made such bizarre choices that seem to be against their own interests, I guess we shouldn't count on the next leader choosing the obvious way out of this mess.
Olivier5
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 10:15 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Aaaah Orangina ! Pas sûr de trouver ça à Rome.

Pecorino? Guanciale? Salami?... :-)
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 10:32 am
@oralloy,
If there's a will there's a way, but is there a will? It's politics as usual in London. They are all posturing, not doing any actual policy work. "Who wanna be prime minister?" is now seen as far more important a question than "Where the heck is the country going?"

Very telling that May is going down precisely because she dared to negotiate something with Labour, a move which I would think makes total sense: Brexit is a momentous change for the UK and it's only fair to try and approach it with some consensus across the political spectrum, right? But no, neither Labour nor the Tories would allow that process to come to fruition.

Consider that the deal she put on the table says almost nothing about the future relationship with the EU. It agrees on the departure of the UK, defines what the UK needs to pay in arrears, and then sets a two-year period for negotiating the future relationship, i.e. a transition period during which the UK still enjoys access to the common market.

If the MPs cannot agree on that, what can they possibly agree on?

Since July 2018, I've been predicting a (potentially painful) no deal outcome. I was temporarily reassured when the 27 agreed to a 6-month delay last March, thinking "okay, 6 month should be more than enough for them Brits to make up their mind on whatever they want"... Now I'm doubting again. These guys are just not serious, a bunch of jokers pretending to do politics.
Lash
 
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Fri 24 May, 2019 03:57 pm
@tsarstepan,
Alright.

A woman resigns in utter defeat.

The country is stranded with its dick in its zipper.

Somebody’s got to rip that sucker.
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