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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 14 Jan, 2019 09:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
And a day before the vote in parliament tomorrow, only now the really most serious question comes to the surface: Could no-deal Brexit lead to loo roll logjam?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 14 Jan, 2019 01:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
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Extraordinary picture prompts speculation that Mel Stride was joking – but The Independent understands it is genuine


‘No food and no Channel tunnel’: Treasury minister’s document revealed in photograph after Brexit meeting
Quote:
A Treasury minister discussed the possible threat of “no food” if the UK crashes out of the EU without a deal, his briefing note reveals.

Mel Stride was snapped walking out of a meeting with his officials showing they also discussed the issue of “no Channel tunnel” after a no-deal Brexit.

The extraordinary picture prompted speculation that the financial secretary had allowed the note to be captured as a joke, but The Independent understands it is genuine.

Jo Stevens, a Labour supporters of the anti-Brexit Best for Britain group said it was “shameful” that Theresa May had failed to rule out a no-deal departure.

It is the latest in a series of gaffes which have seen ministers’ confidential briefing notes photographed – and the second to raise the threat to rail links to the EU.

A government source confirmed that both food restrictions and the risk to road and rail links to the continent were discussed with Treasury officials, both at Mr Stride’s instigation.

The government has urged suppliers to stockpile food in the event of the prime minister’s Brexit deal being rejected. Civil servants have also warned that some products may not be available.

Meanwhile, the French government has warned that Eurostar trains would be turned back from Europe if Britain crashes out of the EU without a deal.

The Treasury refused to comment on why the two stark warnings were scrawled on the paper Mr Stride carried out of the meeting with his officials.

Ms Stevens added: “The government clearly know the harm a no-deal Brexit would cause, so it’s shameful they’re still using the no deal threat to scare MPs into backing the prime minister’s bad deal.

“She’s basically trying to hold the people of this country to ransom in order to stay in power.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 14 Jan, 2019 02:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Seldom has a parliamentary vote in Europe received so much attention as the vote of the House of Commons on the withdrawal agreement with the EU. (We even get live updates today here - and certainly tomorrow as well.)
But tomorrow's drama is neither the beginning nor the end of a highly complex process, but only a stage in the epic Brexit dispute since future relations with the EU remain unclear.
It's like in the front row in a cinema when watching Britain break itself apart - no Hollywood blockbuster could be more exciting.

But it's sad, at least for me.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 14 Jan, 2019 03:49 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It's sad for many of us who are watching this self-destruction happen, because those who have studied Economics knows the consequences of any form that looks or smells like protectionism. It's a stupid idea that has Trump implementing tariffs on trade without understanding the result. His Wharton degree is worthless.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 14 Jan, 2019 11:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Brexit vote - How many lawmakers are backing PM May?
Quote:
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s parliament is debating whether to support Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit deal, a decision which will define Britain’s departure from the European Union and set the course for the country’s economy.

The odds look stacked against May winning parliamentary approval for her deal, which has come under fire from all sides, including eurosceptics, supporters of the EU and the Northern Irish party propping up her minority Conservative government.

Below is a running tally of the number of lawmakers who have indicated during the first four days of a five-day debate whether they will support the Brexit deal on Jan. 15.

Lawmakers are entitled to change their mind before the vote, and some who speak are yet to make a final decision on the deal.

There are a total of 650 lawmakers in parliament. Of those, around 100 are government ministers and Conservative Party enforcers, or whips, who are required to support the deal and so are not included in the tally.

May’s Conservative Party has 317 lawmakers. It governs with a working majority of 13 thanks to a deal with the 10 lawmakers of the Northern Irish Democratic Unionist Party.

Lawmakers who have indicated they will support the deal: 44

Lawmakers who have indicated they will oppose the deal: 115(including 34 of May’s Conservative lawmakers)
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 15 Jan, 2019 12:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
That looks like 361 for and 432 against, but I may be translating your post in error.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 15 Jan, 2019 02:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Two more European Union states, Poland and the Czech Republic, have said they are preparing emergency laws to allow Britons to stay to work in their countries legally in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
[...]
Berlin authorities already opened an online registration for British nationals while the Italians have promised emergency legislation to exempt Britons from normal immigration laws if the UK crashes out of the EU. France has also sought to reassure the estimated 160,000 Britons of their post-Brexit status and the Dutch last week told Britons they could stay there in the event of a cliff-edge Brexit.
... ... ...
The Guardian
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 15 Jan, 2019 02:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Guardian has a longer, more detailed list: Brexit deal: how will the Westminster factions vote?


I suppose, Theresa May will get a huge defeat and vote of no confidence in government.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jan, 2019 06:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Voting on the Brexit deal will begin at 19:00 h local time/GTM. 14 amendments have been tabled, and it will be for Commons Speaker John Bercow to decide which ones are put to a vote. Each vote takes around 15 minutes, so the timing of the final vote on the deal itself will depend entirely on how many amendments are called. Assuming Mr Bercow opts for between six and eight, the big vote to take place around ... perhaps 21:00 h.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 15 Jan, 2019 09:48 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Latest schedule and the texts of the amendments by the BBC:

When is the vote on Theresa May's Brexit deal?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jan, 2019 11:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks for the updates.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jan, 2019 01:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Labour, SNP and Leigh all pulled their amendments - meaning result of the main vote will be shortly.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 15 Jan, 2019 01:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
MPs are now voting on the main motion:

That this House approves for the purposes of section 13(1)(b) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018, the negotiated withdrawal agreement laid before the House on Monday 26 November 2018 with the title ‘Agreement on the withdrawal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Community’ and the framework for the future relationship laid before the House on Monday 26 November 2018 with the title ‘Political Declaration setting out the framework for the future relationship between the European Union and the United Kingdom.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 15 Jan, 2019 01:43 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Theresa May’s plan has been rejected by votes to 432 votes to 202 - a majority of 230 that's the biggest government defeat in modern times.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jan, 2019 01:48 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Good! I'm happy for the Brits and the EU.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jan, 2019 01:50 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
There's a no confidence motion for debate tomorrow.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jan, 2019 02:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 15 Jan, 2019 02:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
118 Tory MPs voted against their PM
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 15 Jan, 2019 02:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 15 Jan, 2019 02:08 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
A spokesman for the European council president, Donald Tusk, said:

We regret the outcome of the vote, and urge the UK government to clarify its intentions with respect to next steps as soon as possible.

The EU27 will remain united and responsible as we have been throughout the entire process and will seek to reduce the damage caused by Brexit.

We will continue our preparations for all outcomes, including a no-deal scenario. The risk of a disorderly exit has increased with this vote, and while we do not want this to happen, we will be prepared for it.

We will continue the EU’s process of ratification of the agreement reached with the UK government. This agreement is and remains the best and only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
 

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