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Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 17 Dec, 2018 08:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Despite the clear signals from Brussels that no further concessions or reassurances are possible, and that officials would not be meeting, Downing Street is continuing to claim that they are.

Besides that, however, Theresa May pushes forward £2bn no-deal Brexit preparations.
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 17 Dec, 2018 09:00 am
https://www.garybarker.co.uk/files/Theresa-May-Angela-Merkel-cartoon.jpg
by Gary Barker - https://www.garybarker.co.uk/
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 17 Dec, 2018 10:30 am
@Olivier5,
May said today that she intended to re-schedule a delayed vote in parliament on her Brexit plan in the week starting on Jan. 14.

BBC report
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 17 Dec, 2018 08:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Brexit is a bad idea; why do they keep pushing for it? Trying to negotiate trade with each country is going to be a nightmare with diminishing returns.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 18 Dec, 2018 12:59 am
@cicerone imposter,
At the Times and the Telegraph, the papers’ headline writers have come up with exactly the same words today: “May dares Corbyn to call vote of confidence”.

https://i.imgur.com/b0gVj6f.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/bwODc4T.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 18 Dec, 2018 03:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Downing Street has confirmed that it will not allow time for Labour's motion of no confidence in Theresa May to be debated, calling it a "stunt".

Instead, No 10 is facing down Jeremy Corbyn and challenging him to table a full no-confidence motion under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act.

A Downing Street source said:

"We won't allow time for what is a stunt.
"The FTPA applies if Labour wants to put down a motion under the terms of that."
The independent
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 18 Dec, 2018 06:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
For a renowned bank, this is an unusual step. According to the Financial Times, Credit Suisse has advised its super-rich clients to consider transferring money abroad.
Private bankers at the Swiss lender reportedly contacted key clients to suggest that many customers had already opted to move assets outside of the UK already, and that they should consider doing the same.
Credit Suisse made the suggestion in the aftermath of Prime Minister May's decision to postpone a vote on Brexit until the new year, which the bank said prolonged a period of "turmoil", according to the Financial Times.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 18 Dec, 2018 09:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
A total of 3,500 troops will be put on standby for any crisis triggered by a no-deal Brexit, the defence secretary has announced.

Gavin Williamson said the soldiers would be ready to “support any government department on any contingencies they may need”.

The comment came despite Downing Street indicating there would be no need for troop deployments as part of the decision to move “in full” to prepare for crashing out of the EU without an agreement.

It also comes after Tobias Ellwood, Mr Williamson’s deputy at the Ministry of Defence went public on his department’s assessment of readiness for a no-deal Brexit.

Mr Ellwood told the BBC, last week, it was “not an option” for the army, adding: “MoD planning shows that arrangements are not in place – economically, and from a security perspective, it’s not possible.”

At cabinet, ministers agreed that – with stalemate over Theresa May’s Brexit deal – they had a duty to ramp up long-promised no-deal planning.

Officials will now seek to communicate with six million British businesses, calling on them to enact their own contingency plans, and with private citizens on actions they should take.

Whitehall will also implement proposals already publicised including those designed to ensure vital food and medical supplies do not run out.
... ... ...
The Independent
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 18 Dec, 2018 01:26 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
https://i.imgur.com/mHcLuT7l.jpg

Steve Bell on Theresa May and the ticking Brexit clock
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Olivier5
 
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Tue 18 Dec, 2018 01:50 pm
Speaking about Europe, a brief recap of previous episodes:

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georgeob1
 
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Tue 18 Dec, 2018 03:19 pm
There appears to be a bit of unacknowledged resentment or anger on the part of some posters here to the British who have had the temerity to reject the European Union. Given all the east vs West and North vs South stresses within the Union today, I can understand a need to make exit a bit painful for any nation contemplating it. However the expressed ill will appears to go much beyond that. Much of this appears to come from the German and French duopoly that effectively governs the EU, and which benefit the most from having their chief export markets tied to their currency.

Increasingly this is a reminder that history is not over, and that includes the history of Europe as well.
Olivier5
 
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Tue 18 Dec, 2018 04:30 pm
@georgeob1,
For my part and to my great shame, I'm more in a state of schadenfreude than resentment. I just hope they go through with it.
georgeob1
 
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Tue 18 Dec, 2018 07:19 pm
@Olivier5,
That surprises me. Evidently I ready you incorrectly.

I have mixed feelings about it. The British for centuries stood apart from the Continent, always seeking an alignment of allies to check the major continental power, whichever it was at the time. The British were also hesitant members of the EU and If I recall correctly, it was done, not through a plebiscite, but rather through a treaty ratified by Parliament.

The EU has been a brilliant success economically, and it has so far yielded a half century of peace on the continent. A success by any measure. However I have long worried about the increasingly bureaucratic nature of EU governance, involving, as it appears, steadily increasing reach by the EU administrative structure and courts, so far with little in the way of clear domains of national sovereignty. To a large degree this has so far been a secret of its success, but, at some point, the piper must be paid, and that issue appears (to me) to be behind many of the strains that exist in the Union between East & West and North & South, and, as well recent issues involving immigration and the free movement of immigrants within the Union.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 18 Dec, 2018 10:09 pm
@georgeob1,
Pros and cons of the EU. https://www.prosancons.com/politics/pros-and-cons-of-eu-european-union/
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 19 Dec, 2018 01:06 am
@georgeob1,
A lot of Europeans share my view that the UK has been an abusive member of the club, so good ridance to them.

Beware of not just thinking in clichés. The idea that Europe is a suoranational bureaucratic behemoth bent on negating nations' right is a cliché. It's just a club. It has its rules, which the club members have developed over the years. If you want to leave the club, that's fine. If you still want to access the club's pool after you left, fine, you just gona have to pay for that service. And no, this is not because we don't love you or that we try to ennact some sort of revenge on you... The rules are there to protect the interests of club members.

IOW, a little bit of logic and matter-of-factness usually help understanding the world. As soon as you hear yourself using emotional words such as "resent" or "anger" or "love" or "hate" about some geopolitical process, consider that maybe you lost the plot.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 19 Dec, 2018 11:11 am
Europe readies for no-deal Brexit as uncertainty grows

Many European companies planning for an economic shock in case the 'nightmare' scenario becomes real next year.

1 hour ago

The European Union and businesses have ramped up planning for the fallout from the United Kingdom leaving the bloc without a divorce deal with just 100 days until Brexit.

Many European companies are planning for an economic shock in case the "nightmare" scenario becomes reality on March 29 next year.

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker on Wednesday said it would be an "absolute catastrophe" if the UK leaves the European Union without a transition deal in place.

For this reason, the commission and EU member states are working hard to avoid such a scenario, Juncker added, "but it takes two to manage a decent tango".

Prime Minister Theresa May's failure to find a deal the British parliament will approve means the world's fifth-largest economy now faces three choices: agreeing on a last-minute deal, halting Brexit, or leaving the EU without an agreement.

No deal means there would be no transition, so the exit would be abrupt. Bank of England Governor Mark Carney said leaving the EU with no transition could be akin to the 1970s oil shock.

May has yet to win the support of a deeply divided parliament for the agreement she struck last month with EU leaders to maintain close ties to the bloc.

No alternative

However, British politicians have been unable to agree on any alternative Brexit course, deepening concerns the UK will, as May has warned, drop out of the world's biggest trading bloc without a deal.

"Businesses of all sizes are reaching the point of no return, with many now putting in place contingency plans that are a significant drain of time and money," the heads of Britain's five biggest business lobby groups said. "The risk of a 'no-deal' Brexit is rising."

The EU said it would avoid the interruption of air traffic, keep financial and other trade open, and respect British citizens' residency rights in the bloc if Britain left without a deal in March.

"The Commission has called upon Member States to take a generous approach to UK nationals who are already resident in their territory," the European Commission said in a statement on Wednesday.

"The Commission expects the reassurances given by the UK authorities - that, even in case of no deal, the rights of EU citizens in the United Kingdom will be protected in a similar way - to be formalised soon so that it can be relied upon by citizens."

Warning from corporate giants

The world's biggest companies, from Apple and Toyota to JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs, have cautioned that Brexit could complicate their businesses.

Business leaders fear that additional checks on the post-Brexit UK-EU border will clog ports, silt up the arteries of trade and dislocate supply chains across Europe and beyond.

"Firms are pausing or diverting investment that should be boosting productivity, innovation, jobs and pay, into stockpiling goods or materials, diverting cross-border trade and moving offices, factories and therefore jobs and tax revenues out of the UK," the business groups said.

The British government said on Tuesday it would implement plans for a no-deal Brexit in full and begin telling businesses and citizens to prepare.

May has delayed a vote on her deal until mid-January, prompting some MPs to accuse her of trying to force parliament into backing her by running down the clock as the March 29 exit date approaches.

On Wednesday, May urged the leaders of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to "listen to business" and back her deal.

Without one, the UK would trade with the EU under World Trade Organization terms.

Brexit supporters say while there may be some short-term disruption, in the long-term, the UK will thrive outside what they cast as a doomed experiment in German-dominated unity and excessive debt-funded welfare spending.




https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/12/europe-readies-brexit-deal-uncertainty-grows-181219141621453.html
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2018 12:40 am
@Olivier5,
The Irish government says security, travel and trade will suffer if the UK crashes out of EU
Ireland calls no-deal Brexit plan a ‘damage limitation exercise
Quote:
Security in Ireland would be “seriously impacted” by a no-deal Brexit because of sudden changes to the arrangements with the UK over crime, the Irish government has warned.

It also said that Ireland would “suffer considerably” from the “adverse economic and social impact” a no-deal Brexit would have on the UK.

“The Irish government would work with the British government, as a member of the EU27 but also as a neighbour and close friend, to seek to minimise the economic and social disruption,” it said in a 131-page document outlining contingency plans released in Dublin on Wednesday night.

“However, we are under no illusions as to the difficulties that would arise or the challenges involved in addressing them.”

Ireland would also be affected by “exceptional swings” in the value of sterling, which would have difficult consequences for trade, the finance minister said.

Ireland’s deputy prime minister, Simon Coveney, said: “There is no such thing as a contingency plan that will maintain the status quo … this is a damage limitation exercise.”

The Contingency Action Plan warns of disruption to aviation and road haulage, as well as delays on ferries and problems for exporters to Britain.

The government is also concerned about EU citizens moving between Ireland, Northern Ireland and mainland Britain.

“There would also be significant issues for citizens’ rights, free movement of people, labour and skills shortages, and provision of cross-border public services that would have to be tackled by all the relevant parties,” it said.

On security, it said the existing close co-operation with British police would be compromised if the UK lost access to European databases involving DNA, fingerprints, vehicles, criminal records and airline passengers.

Ireland is also worried about the UK dropping out of the European arrest warrants (EAW) system, which would mean criminals could enter the Republic, commit a crime and return to Northern Ireland without the current policing measures in place.

Police sources have told the Guardian they are concerned about everything from smuggling to sexual crime if perpetrators can disappear in a border area, in the knowledge that the Police Service of Northern Ireland and the Republic’s Garda Síochána no longer exchange information or operate an EAW .

The document also warns that “a deterioration in economic conditions in Britain could impact on exports”.

There would be particular pressure on sectors such as agri-food, fisheries, aviation and road transport, pharmaceuticals, electrical machinery, retail and wholesale businesses, the document says.

Coveney told reporters that the report made for “stark reading”. He said a lot of planning at the moment concerned security of supply of medicines, of which there is currently a four- to six-week stockpile.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Thu 20 Dec, 2018 01:35 am
Nice idea for a xmas gift:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61g44st6hiL._UY445_.jpg
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Builder
 
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Thu 20 Dec, 2018 04:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The Irish government says security, travel and trade will suffer if the UK crashes out of EU


I'd hardly describe it as crashing out of anything.

The UK only tip-toed in, meaning no change to the local currency.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 20 Dec, 2018 04:40 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
I'd hardly describe it as crashing out of anything.

The UK only tip-toed in, meaning no change to the local currency.
The UK joined the European Economic Community (as it then was) on 1 January 1973. (They tried to become a member since since 1961.)
The EURO is the official currency of 19 of 28 member states of the European Union, since 1 January 2002.

So you consider the UK only being a "tip-toe-member" since 2002 - same about the 9 other member states?
The UK, btw, is a member of the Economic and Monetary Union (EMU), like any othe EU-country.
 

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