Brexit. Why do Brits want Out of the EU?

@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

I always loved John Wayne, and Clint Eastwood, and the Little House in the Prairie...

In my opinion, Little House On the Prairie exemplifies a time when "character" (a man's "word" was as good as a signed contract) was valued by individuals, as opposed to the 20th century invention of the "culture of personality." That came to being, supposedly I've read, based on the need for fast talking salesmen to sell all the "widgets" that assembly lines were producing.

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@Foofie,

I doubt the "times" were actually like that. The series depicts the wild west as fantacized by a team of producers and scenarists in the 70s. It touches on themes typical of the 70s, e.g. the importance given to race and racism, or religion seen as a force of progess, MLK style.

There was a sort of remake in the 90's which my daughter got to watch: Dr Quinn, in which race was still a major issue but gender/feminism was center-stage. I found the characters in Dr Quinn less lovable though, more simplistic than in Little House.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

I doubt the "times" were actually like that. The series depicts the wild west as fantacized by a team of producers and scenarists in the 70s. It touches on themes typical of the 70s, e.g. the importance given to race and racism, or religion seen as a force of progess, MLK style.

There was a sort of remake in the 90's which my daughter got to watch: Dr Quinn, in which race was still a major issue but gender/feminism was center-stage. I found the characters in Dr Quinn less lovable though, more simplistic than in Little House.

I never really watched the episodes on tv. I just know that many young girls like the characters as Laura Ingall Wilder saw them and have read the book. But, I know nothing about race being a focal point in the series?

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

I never really watched the episodes on tv. I just know that many young girls like the characters as Laura Ingall Wilder saw them and have read the book. But, I know nothing about race being a focal point in the series?

That's because it really wasn't. It was mostly about family life and Laura Ingalls. Most episodes had a moral and it was all in all a pretty wholesome show. It was definitely stylized though and glamorized I suspect.

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The EU is set to inflict a double humiliation on Theresa May, stripping Britain of its European agencies within weeks, while formally rejecting the prime minister’s calls for early trade talks.

The Observer has learned that EU diplomats agreed their uncompromising position at a crunch meeting on Tuesday, held to set out the union’s strategy in the talks due to start next month.
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The European Banking Authority and the European Medicines Agency employ about 1,000 people, many of them British, and provide a hub for businesses in the UK. It is understood that the EU’s chief negotiator hopes the agencies will know their new locations by June, although the process may take longer. Cities such as Frankfurt, Milan, Amsterdam and Paris are competing to take the agencies, which are regarded as among the EU’s crown jewels.

Meanwhile, it has emerged that Britain failed to secure the backing of any of the 27 countries for its case that trade talks should start early in the two years of negotiations allowed by article 50 of the Lisbon treaty. The position will be announced at a Brussels summit on 29 April.
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@Walter Hinteler,

OUCH! That pain is going to last a very long time.

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EU really start to show its true side openly.

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@saab,

saab wrote:

EU really start to show its true side openly.

What else do you expect? The Brexit idiots are getting what they started.

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@centrox,

What ennoys me is that GB is not even treated fair. There is no reason to punish the Remainers. Any divorce should if possible be fair to both partners.
About 50% of the Brits did not want to leave EU - and EU treats GB
as it is the biggest enemy and worst dirt.
On the other hand EU still wants Turkey to become a member of EU.
Make life difficult for an old democracy and kiss the feet of a despot.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Good to know a strong example will be made to prevent the other idiots around EU from doing the same **** n maybe just maybe think twice.
Saab demagogury on this topic is disheartening...EU was left with no choice. GB shall burn for the sake of "education".

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@saab,

saab wrote:

What ennoys me is that GB is not even treated fair. There is no reason to punish the Remainers. ... ...

Well, the UK used a possibilty fom the EU-treaty (treaties). I do think that such doesn't delete all the others of the by UK signed treaties and documents.

saab wrote:

On the other hand EU still wants Turkey to become a member of EU.

That's just your opinion.
In law Turkey is still a candidate, in fact, it is not.

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@Fil Albuquerque,

I think that all members must be remembered that they signed a treaty - perhaps the UK had done better to re-read it.

What really annoys me is that all those problems which occur now, could have been said before the referendum: they were nothing secret.
But no topic for populism.

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Of course the truth about the problems should have been told before the referendum. Noone did.
Let us punish every one in GB, that is how EU sees it.
I think one does not punish a group just becouse some in the group did something wrong.

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@saab,

saab wrote:

Let us punish every one in GB, that is how EU sees it.

On the one hand, you say the EU is undemocratic, on the other, it shouldn't follow democratic decisions? ( Does the UK-government punish those, who didn't vote for them?)

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@Walter Hinteler,

In a democracy everyone has the right to vote for what he/she thinks is the best.
In a democracy one party does not punish the members or politicians in the opposition.
In a democracy discussions are made to meet half way, so both sides have a chance.
There is no reason that UK-government should punish the leave voters.
UK is a democracy.
In Brexit - EU is punishing GB. EU does not even try to come up with a fair deal. It does it purpose. It is to scare the other 27 countries. That is what Juncker himself has said.

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@centrox,

Can you tell me one good reason why the Remainers should suffer under the Brexit idiots?
Why should it not be possible to work out something which would satisfy both sides.?
It probably would be possible if EU did not have such a school teacher attitude.
The whole class is punished, because half did something wrong.

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@saab,

saab wrote:

Why should it not be possible to work out something which would satisfy both sides.?
The whole class is punished, because half did something wrong.

The whole class has to suffer under the majority decided .... and that decision was introduced by the current (and former) conservative UK-government.

"Brexit means Brexit" - that's still what the majority of the democratically elected representatives want - some without any discussion, others with an opinion similar "we joined the EU with more benefits than any other country, now we leave with all these benefits".

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@saab,

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@Walter Hinteler,

I think this discussion between us shows the significant difference between a German and a Swede,
Germans tend to "these are the rules and regulations - nothing to discuss"
Swedes tend to "Oh we have to have a commity which will look into things, but first we need a commity to somehow look into whom we should get into the commity and we need a commity...........but first of all fairness and equality.

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