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Probability of a random draw resulting in two teams playing each other

 
 
Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 10:56 am
I could use some help please. We have 4 teams in our sports club who have all progressed to the last 32 of a knockout cup. The question arose on what the odds were of us having a tie where one of the club teams had to play one of the others. None of us are too sure of how to calculate the odds for this. I presumed that 6 combinations existed where we would have that scenario (where the club teams were numbered 1,2,3,4 they would be 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 2-3, 2-4, 3-4) but I lost my way working out the total permutations and even then Im not sure this is correct. Any help much appreciated. Thanks
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 11:29 am
@boomer34,
I really need an equation writer, but I think it is:

6*(29*27*25*23*...*1) - (27*25*23*21*...*1)
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(31*27*25*... *1)

~ 19.4%

We have some good stats guys on here who I'm sure will double check that.
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2015 12:41 pm
@engineer,
I'm revising my answer. I think it is:

6*(29*27*25*23*...*1) - 3* (27*25*23*21*...*1)
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(31*27*25*... *1)

or 19.3%

I ran a 100,000 monte carlo and got 19.0% so I'm in the right ballpark.
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Reply Wed 7 Oct, 2015 06:22 am
@engineer,
so if I put all 32 teams in a hat and drew out matches then approximately one in five draws (19%) I can expect to see a match where two of our four teams are drawn out together in a match up? That seems a little too often given the scenario?
engineer
 
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Reply Wed 7 Oct, 2015 06:44 am
@boomer34,
If you do the entire draw (all sixteen games) you will have a match about one in five, yes.
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Reply Wed 7 Oct, 2015 08:10 am
@engineer,
Simple math error here, the equation posted yields 19.0%, not 19.3%.

Here is the entire table for you. The first column is the number of players being paired, the next is the probability of a conflict, the third is the number of conflicted matchups, the fourth is the total number of matchups.

6 100.0% 15 15
8 77.1% 81 105
10 61.9% 585 945
12 51.5% 5355 10395
14 44.1% 59535 135135
16 38.5% 779625 2027025
18 34.1% 11756745 34459425
20 30.7% 200675475 654729075
22 27.8% 3824996175 13749310575
24 25.5% 80531676225 3.16234E+11
26 23.5% 1.85616E+12 7.90585E+12
28 21.8% 4.64864E+13 2.13458E+14
30 20.3% 1.25703E+15 6.19028E+15
32 19.0% 3.65013E+16 1.91899E+17
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