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Put In Your Date(s): The EU Seals The Borders ON?

 
 
Fri 28 Aug, 2015 12:28 am
They are going to have to, the cant even deal with the invaders they have.

I say it will happen it two steps:

1) From the Balkans oct 23 2015

2) Everyone else Feb 10 2016

Winner gets the prize for being right.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 30 Aug, 2015 07:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
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But the influx also provides opportunities for the German economy. Despite the official unemployment figure of almost 2.8 million, the business community urgently needs workers. And every refugee or migrant who finds work becomes less of a drain on the public coffers. The German economy is dependent on immigration, both from Europe as well as people entering the country due to asylum rights in Germany. With the German population shrinking, businesses are unable to fill many jobs, and specialized workers are increasingly rare. This trend will only be exacerbated in the coming years. It's a development that jeopardizes the country's future prosperity.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/refugees-are-an-opportunity-for-the-german-economy-a-1050102.html

2.8 million available, .6 million needed, and that equals a "desperate" supply problem, new stock desperately needed ??

That sounds like government maths. Or the pleadings of would be exploiters. AKA a lie.

This might well be the final lie, the final act of incompetent political leadership, before the people decide "ENOUGH!"
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maxdancona
 
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Sun 30 Aug, 2015 08:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
My bet is never.

But this makes it a little difficult for me to collect my prize, doesn't it.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 30 Aug, 2015 08:39 pm
@maxdancona,
Yep. The government keeps telling the people that this is a good thing, and at the moment a massive charity operation is getting things done, but it will be only weeks before the people turn and inform the government that this will not do.

I was reading an on the ground report that so long as all that is required is donation of a few hours a month and the stuff that we would normally donate to Goodwill the people are fine, but it will be much more than that soon. First thing they need to see is all of these people out of the schools so that they can open. How is that ever going to happen when the crush in incoming is getting worse, not better?
maxdancona
 
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Sun 30 Aug, 2015 08:57 pm
@hawkeye10,
We will see. At the end of October we will know if you are wrong or not. It is a brave thing to make public predictions with due dates attached.

hawkeye10
 
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Sun 30 Aug, 2015 10:13 pm
@maxdancona,
I was both going for fun and to make the point that Europe can not absorb this invasion, and the people will not allow it to continue, no matter how much the bosses claim that they must. The EU bosses are going to be reminded that the people think that they live in a democracy.

It appears that the fun will not happen. Pity.
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hawkeye10
 
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Wed 2 Sep, 2015 02:53 am
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The migrant crisis has overwhelmed Europe's leaders. There is no plan.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34124021

Ya, that pretty well sums it up. Yet another massive screw up from the EU leadership, one of the worse.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 6 Sep, 2015 05:10 pm
DW is reporting that 10,000 arrived today in Bavaria alone. These Europeans are some seriously stupid people........

http://www.dw.com/en/thousands-of-migrants-enter-bavaria-as-government-meets-to-discuss-influx/a-18696965

On another note Putin the other day gave a speech on how this is going to be a disaster for Europe, and it is mostly the USA's fault for destabilizing Africa, Afghanistan and the Mid East. A huge portion of this is a direct result of taking out Gadhafi for pretty much no reason and not supporting Assad.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 6 Sep, 2015 05:21 pm
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On Thursday Germany and France ordered the European commission to come up with a new “permanent” and binding regime for spreading the refugee load around all of the 28 countries in the union. David Cameron and home secretary Theresa May want nothing to do with the scheme and have absented themselves from the policymaking, carping from the sidelines.

On Friday the prime ministers of Hungary, Poland, Slovakia and the Czech Republic told Paris and Berlin to get stuffed, arguing that west European-style multiculturalism is nothing but trouble and that they have no intention of repeating the same mistakes.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/05/migration-crisis-europe-leaders-blame-brussels-hungary-germany

It will not take too many riots to change the minds of the FRench and German leaders. It this seals the deal, Great Britain will exit.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 6 Sep, 2015 07:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
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The president of the Upper Bavarian government, Christoph Hillenbrand, said he expected 13,000 migrants to reach the city on Sunday, up from a previous estimate of 11,000, following 6,800 arrivals on Saturday. Hillenbrand, adding that 11,000 could arrive on Monday, said Munich was running out of capacity.

http://news.yahoo.com/austria-germany-open-borders-migrants-offloaded-hungary-020547963.html

Jesus.
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 7 Sep, 2015 04:27 am
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Thorbjorn Jagland, Secretary General of the Council of Europe, urged the 28 EU nations to rediscover the bloc’s humanitarian values and offer sanctuary to hundreds of thousands of refugees – or face long-lasting consequences.

“If one starts to close the borders then it may be the beginning of the end of open borders in Europe, which are the basis for the internal market, and then you will get the re-emergence of nationalism,” he told The Independent. “It is a dangerous scenario if we are not able to cope with this on a common European basis. It is a crucial moment now.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-europe-must-act-humanely-on-refugees-or-face-nationalism-and-closed-borders-says-continents-top-human-rights-official-10489020.html

O. M. G.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 7 Sep, 2015 05:07 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
DW is reporting that 10,000 arrived today in Bavaria alone. These Europeans are some seriously stupid people........
I wouldn't generalise it, but certainly quite some Europeans are seriously stupid - a few others on other continents as well, I've heard.

Article 16 a of the German Basic Law (aka 'constitution') names the right of asylum of one of the basic rights, btw. (Germany is one of the countries which signed the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees.)

And actually more than 20,000 asylum seekers arrived in Bavaria over the weekend. (13,000 on Sunday at Munich main station.)
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 7 Sep, 2015 02:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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And the countries that have opened the door widest are places like Germany and Sweden, which are motivated by a different theory of moral obligation: A utilitarian universalism, which holds that the world’s wealthy nations have an obligation to accept refugees, period, regardless of whether their own governments bear any responsibility for the crisis that produced them.


This theory has the advantage of eliminating any messy haggling over who bears responsibility for what. When tragedy strikes, everybody above a certain level of G.D.P. just has to open the gates. (Or, perhaps, to have them open permanently.)

But it has the disadvantage of being completely unworkable over the long run, as Europe is beginning to discover. The utilitarian theory is blind to the realities of culture, the challenges of assimilation, the dangers and inevitability of backlash. It takes what is a deep, long-term issue for European society — one way or another, over the next century the continent will have to absorb large numbers of new arrivals, from Africa especially — and brings things to a crisis point right now. And then it tries to evade that crisis by treating dissent as illegitimate, which only works until it doesn’t: One day you have a pro-immigration “consensus,” and the next a party with fascist roots is leading Sweden’s polls.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/06/opinion/sunday/ross-douthat-who-failed-aylan-kurdi.html?ref=opinion&_r=1

This is madness. This is where the EU leaders irrevocably lose the people, when this invasion turns out to be a disaster. The global economy is going to crash, these workers the Germans think that they are going to be desperate for they will not need at all, all they will get is a boatload of problems. Any warm and fuzzies from allegedly being morally upstanding will dissipate like smoke.
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 7 Sep, 2015 02:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
I am reading that all the political parties but one and almost all the fourth estate have unified to sell the propaganda that these invaders are good for Germany and that the Germans are a great people for taking them it. Alternate views are not allowed to be expressed, to do so brings down the wrath of the elite. I am impressed with the effort, at least for now the majority of Germans have not figured out that they are being manipulated and set up for a another big expensive fall, but stupid people need to learn somehow. The problem with this invasion however is that unless they discover the error very soon it will be too late to employ a fix.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 7 Sep, 2015 02:45 pm
I don't know when we were invaded - no 'state of defence' (Article 115a Basic Law) was declared.

But you might have better sources.
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 7 Sep, 2015 03:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
$6 billion in emergency spending for the next 4 months to deal with the invasion. This being the same country that has spent $2 Trillion on German unification but has not seen any elevation of the standard of living in the East for 20 years...I am not optimistic that spending a ton of money to take in the worlds poor is going to yield any better bang for the buck. The other argument:"we morally have to open our home to anyone who wants to live with us"....That will not work out well, but you did it to yourselves.
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 7 Sep, 2015 03:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Merkel hailed as "breathtaking" the warm welcome given to them and said Germany was now seen by many abroad as a place of "hope"

"WE ARE GREAT!"

Super, you are also inviting more of the millions of people who are not happy where they are to come, and filling those that do come with expectations that can not be met, which will breed violence. The Germans big heart will not be appreciated, the Germans will be blamed for handing out the invitations but not being able to fulfill the their hosting obligations. The German people need to keep their eye on the ball, which is that Germany in 5 or 10 years needs to work, all of Europe is counting on the financial handouts. Race riots and jihad are going to get in the way of that as things stand now.
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 7 Sep, 2015 04:07 pm
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Chancellor Angela Merkel -- who grew up in the East -- has vowed "no tolerance" against racists, but she ducked the regional question Monday by saying: "I don't want to turn this into an east-west conflict."

The data, however, has painted a disturbing picture -- of all racist attacks recorded by the government last year, 47 percent were in the east, home to just 17 percent of Germany's population.

And of the 202 known violent attacks against refugee shelters in the first half of this year, 42 took place in Saxony alone.

Saxony's state capital Dresden was also the birthplace of the far-right PEGIDA movement, short for "Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the Occident", whose flag-waving marches peaked at 25,000 people early this year.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-eastern-germany-a-hotspot-for-attacks-against-refugees-2015-9#ixzz3l5ofdpFo


UNIFICATION FAIL

Those in the East already feel like promises made to them were not kept, that there are not enough jobs to build a life on, with the young feeling that they need to move to work.....they are not going to take well the tens of billions of dollars per year that are now going to spent on unneeded refugees who will drive down the wage scales even more. No amount of speech making by the german elite, and selective reporting in the press is going to work to head off the rioting.

Dumb dumb dumb.
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 7 Sep, 2015 10:51 pm
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According to a report in the Sunday edition of German newspaper, the "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" (FAS), financial costs for Germany could reach anywhere between 9 and 10.5 billion euros by the end of the year. The figure is based on cost estimates from local governments around the country.
A refugee summit held by the German parliament in July budgeted 5.6 billion euros for an expected 450,000 asylum applications this year. In light of the recent mass influx of refugees from Africa and the Middle East, however, Germany is now expecting to take in some 800,000 by the end of December.
According to Germany's Federal Statistics Office, 2.4 billion euros were spent on caring for some 203,000 new asylum seekers last year.
At municipal level, the current annual cost per refugee stands at between 12,000 and 13,000 euros, which covers accommodation, meals, pocket money, health costs and administrative expense

http://www.dw.com/en/refugee-crisis-to-cost-germany-10-billion-euros/a-18696346

That is a **** ton of money. Feeling good about being German is a very expensive hobby.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 13 Sep, 2015 06:35 pm
Not a seal but a restriction is set for the 15th Sep. I predict that one result will be the flooding of Greece, and a humanitarian breakdown there, designed to teach Greece yet another lesson that refusal to conform to the will of the bosses will be met with retribution.

I hope that I am wrong.
 

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