Proof There is an Afterlife

cavfancier

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No idea, I work for Calvin Klein, not Guess.

Well what does Calvin Klein smell like? Very Happy

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Good thing you asked. He smells a little like a closet...

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limbodog wrote:

Yes, I can prove it. It will, however, take me as much as 100 years to do it.

In the meantime, enjoy some EVPs:

http://www.mcmsys.com/~brammer/ourbest.htm

That site is a hoot . . . especially as they seem to be completely serious . . .

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Setanta wrote:

limbodog wrote:
Yes, I can prove it. It will, however, take me as much as 100 years to do it.

In the meantime, enjoy some EVPs:

http://www.mcmsys.com/~brammer/ourbest.htm

That site is a hoot . . . especially as they seem to be completely serious . . .

I give the benefit of the doubt. They've got some interesting evidence. Enough to make me almost want to try to duplicate their efforts.

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Good luck, Boss, be sure not to tell me your results . . .

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Setanta wrote:

Good luck, Boss, be sure not to tell me your results . . .

We who refuse to accept evidence that contradict our preconceived notions make baby jesus cry. Smile

Lucky me, I've got no preconceived notions on this particular topic, so i can go ahead and enjoy the mystery.

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Setanta wrote:

limbodog wrote:
Yes, I can prove it. It will, however, take me as much as 100 years to do it.

In the meantime, enjoy some EVPs:
http://www.mcmsys.com/~brammer/ourbest.htm

That site is a hoot . . . especially as they seem to be completely serious . . .

I didn't believe until I heard the ghost dog at that site. I'm converted. Thats it, there must be an afterlife.

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If there is such a thing as an afterlife, it's supposed to last for a long time. Another supposition is that all human beings go there after their lives here end.
Assuming that I'm human, and have something that can be reasonably called a life, I will go there to after my death.
That might have a serious negative impact on the capabilities of all other beings there trying to enjoy a semi - eternal state of hapiness. I think the alternative is more desirable, especially seen from the viewpoint of a firm utilitarianist, talking about the greatest hapiness for the greatest number. So, no afterlife. Either that, or an afterlife only for the elite.

My question is, is this merely a wish, or is it proof?
Naj

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najmelliw wrote:

If there is such a thing as an afterlife, it's supposed to last for a long time. Another supposition is that all human beings go there after their lives here end.
Assuming that I'm human, and have something that can be reasonably called a life, I will go there to after my death.
That might have a serious negative impact on the capabilities of all other beings there trying to enjoy a semi - eternal state of hapiness. I think the alternative is more desirable, especially seen from the viewpoint of a firm utilitarianist, talking about the greatest hapiness for the greatest good. So, no afterlife. Either that, or an afterlife only for the elite.

My question is, is this merely a wish,or is it proof?
Naj

Naj,
I'd have to say that is more of a wish.
Because, how about this scenario:
All the elite get to go to heaven.
The "bad" people go somewhere else where they don't bother the elite (hell, purgatory, earth again, whatever).

So, you could have an afterlife, with the elite in eternal happiness, not bothered by the un-elite.

(not that I can prove the above or even like the above model...just saying its a possible afterlife where the elite could be happy without negative impact..)

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So, you could have an afterlife, with the elite in eternal happiness, not bothered by the un-elite.

When I combine this remark with the post above mine, where you state you are convinced there is an afterlife because you hear the ghost dog baying... Does it mean the elite is the dogs?
That does bring forth some very interesting questions....
Very Happy

Naj

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najmelliw wrote:

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So, you could have an afterlife, with the elite in eternal happiness, not bothered by the un-elite.

When I combine this remark with the post above mine, where you state you are convinced there is an afterlife because you hear the ghost dog baying... Does it mean the elite is the dogs?
That does bring forth some very interesting questions....

Naj

Yes. Wasn't there a movie or book or something "All Dogs go to Heaven"?

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My personal favorite: What if there's no particular place you've (rather, your 'soul') gotta be when you die?

I think I'd go explore the universe after making a few stops at Rebecca Romijn & Milla Jovovich's places respectively.

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As opposed to: All cats go to hell? On a personal note, I'm fairly convinced there's alittle devil hidden in every cat....

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"Life is a brief interval between periods of non-existance"

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There is no "proof" either way, but given the fact that drugs, disease, and injury to the brain profoundly affect our awareness, memories and sense of self, it is highly unlikely that any alleged "soul" exists that can survive the decay of the physical brain that produced it.

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That depends on what you mean by a soul.

(Jeez, how do I always end up arguing the f**king religious side...)

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To elaborate; you say 'it is highly unlikely that any alleged "soul" exists that can survive the decay of the physical brain that produced it'.

Erm, the popularly held contention is that the brain does not create the soul. God does (shut up fortune, just shut up before you do it again).

Therefor the soul is not damaged or really altered at all by the state of the brain (oh that's it, just shoot me)

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Fortune, as I understand it, people who believe in an eternal soul expect that it will survive the death of their body and retain the memories that they accumulated over the course of their life. If that is true, then why can't the souls of Alzheimer's patients remember things? Why can't the soul of a person in a coma communicate with anyone? Why do brain injuries reduce mental abilities? And why do mind-altering drugs change your perspective on life?

If the soul were God-given and independent of the body, physical changes to the brain would not affect it. That is clearly not the case; therefore I do not believe in eternal souls and an afterlife.

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Actually, in most versions of the afterlife that I've inquired into, the self, after death, exists in a perfect form. So even if your head gets busted wide open when you're alive and you end up a vegetable for twenty years, after you die you get to be good as new again (you know, except you don't have a body).

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By the way. You said the souls of Alzheimers patients don't remember anything. I think you are confusing the concept of a soul with the capabilities of the physical body.

(Oh pleeeze don't get me into another religious debate)

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