Do ipods really suck as much as everybody is saying??

Craven de Kere wrote:

if you are irritated by iPod's proprietary and restrictive format support

???? Are you talking about music purchased from itunes?

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My main problem with the Ipod is that it's, as Alton Brown would say, a single-tasker. I'm more inclined to wait for the Ipod phone. I'm going to have to check out the features though. I don't need a camera, but I'm surreptitious and do a lot of [Edit: Moderator: Link removed]speed text messaging so a big easy to read screen is key.

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jpinMilwaukee wrote:

Craven de Kere wrote:
if you are irritated by iPod's proprietary and restrictive format support

???? Are you talking about music purchased from itunes?

I was talking about their lacking support for the second most popular portable audio format (.wma).

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I just bought the Iaudio (Cowon) A2 which is a video mp3 player that destroys the video iPod. Its got a big screen and a whopping 10 hour battery life for video Shocked

And I have personally tested this when i got it a couple days ago and got 9 hours so its damn close.

http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/a2/

Highly recommend it to anyone who wants an mp3 player with INCREDIBLE movie capabilities. Unlike the iPod whose video is for like tv shows and music videos this thing is made for MOVIES. And it records from tv like a dvr.

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El-Diablo hows that Jetsoftware?

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I don't really use it. I have my own video convertor and the A2 behaves easily as a drag and drop unit. I'm not big on using the software from a company which is why I never bought an iPod.

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Wow just wow El-diablo that's all I have to say about that product when I first saw it...

How much do you think it would be for Canadian shoppers?

I'm guessing $500+ less shipping & handling though Sad

Not sure if it's worth the buy if I can get a decent mp3 player & digital camera for cheaper...

Yeah, I guess iriver looks okay for mp3 player + viewing digital camera photos capabilities... looking for something cheaper though... if you guys know of any product let me know, thanks.

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We have three iPods. One of them won't hold a charge. I sent it back, they sent it right back to me, after charging me $30, saying it was fine. The fact that it won't hold a charge overnight doesn't seem to be a problem, though it is less than a year old.

Apple will be getting crap from me for Christmas.

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Uhhh, you people
Here's the bottom line: ipods aren't that great. They're from an overpriced company which is losing money in all areas except ipods because they are so crappy. What makes u think any different about their ipods? THere are multiple companies like Rio and Creative Labs which support many more file types and don't sucker you into using itunes, their shop, or anyhting like that. These other companies also possess more hardrive space, easier, more capable software, and just are completely better than the "all and mighty ipod". SO check out other options before you jump into the ignorant craze of ipods will you?

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We got a Creative MuVo 2

Plays all the major formats, great battery life, rechargable through a USB port as well as the adapter.

Love it.

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Re: Uhhh, you people

shoelace_510 wrote:

Here's the bottom line: ipods aren't that great. They're from an overpriced company which is losing money in all areas except ipods because they are so crappy.

Hmmm, this is border line flame bait. But ok, I'll play along for the moment (so long as we can keep it on facts and not throw around inflamatory remarks).

Now, I'm just back from NAMM (national asosiation of music merchants) and after a week or so looking at hundreds of companies. Guess what? not a single computer running on windows that I could see. As was last year and the year before and so on, I wonder why?

Have you heard of core audio? Do you know why ASIO/GSIF is used on Windows? What do you really know about DRM ?

As for the iPod itself, and this is not just my opinion although I have had the chance to work with 3G, 4G, nano, Mini, Photo and the one which is video and they just gave a date as the name. The user interface is very intuitve. Putting a thousand songs into a device is a piece of cake, the user getting them back out again (navigating) is the trick and the iPod does this better than the competitor models. You may disagree, this is of course your opinion which I can respect. but understand, and from the people in the music business in gerneral, you will be in the minority.

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Don't Ipod users sue Apple 'regularly'? Well at least two cases I know of, one they won and one is still going?

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Re: Uhhh, you people

Michael_S wrote:

Now, I'm just back from NAMM (national asosiation of music merchants) and after a week or so looking at hundreds of companies. Guess what? not a single computer running on windows that I could see. As was last year and the year before and so on, I wonder why?

I hate both Mac and Windows as a long time Unix professional, but all I can say about this is that you really wasted money on those two trips.

What does the "core" of the music buying public use? Mac? Hardly. Not Unix either.

Basically you boondoggled yourself and/or your company to go get indoctrinated by a bunch of Mac users. You might want to rethink your position before you go broke.

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cjhsa wrote:

Michael_S wrote:
Now, I'm just back from NAMM (national asosiation of music merchants) and after a week or so looking at hundreds of companies. Guess what? not a single computer running on windows that I could see. As was last year and the year before and so on, I wonder why?

I hate both Mac and Windows as a long time Unix professional, but all I can say about this is that you really wasted money on those two trips.

What does the "core" of the music buying public use? Mac? Hardly. Not Unix either.

Basically you boondoggled yourself and/or your company to go get indoctrinated by a bunch of Mac users. You might want to rethink your position before you go broke.

Now thats funny!!! I mention that at a show attended by the worlds most respected manufactures of recording equipment (Yamaha, Roland, Korg, Motu, DigiDesign, SSL........) who (not me) all use Mac to exhibit their products (although I do too) and you conclude I have wasted money on a trip and we are in danger of going broke. Someone better tell Focusrite, Presonus, Mackie, M-Audio they are all a buch of dummies. LOL

It is true a company like SSL doesn't sell many mixers, a low buget mixer from them costs 100,000 US$. So they are definately in the minority of people using Mac, macking sure thier editing software is compatible with Mac, idiots eh, Windows is the more commonly used platform BuWhaHAhahahahah!!!!

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Ok, I may have enjoyed that, but I will try to put this back onto the discussion and not Hijack this thread.

My comments were in response to a suggestion that everything Apple do is lousy, when in fact they are highly respected for their high levels in audio, particularly in pro-audio areas of recording to illustrate my point as more informative I submit a quote from Larry Osterman, who has been working with Microsoft since 1984 and is currently responsible for the development of audio in Longhorn.

Quote:

Over the years, we've realized that there three major problem areas with the existing audio infrastructure:

The amount of code that runs in the kernel (coupled with buggy device drivers) causes the audio stack to be one of the leading causes of Windows reliability problems.
It's also become clear that while the audio quality in Windows is just fine for normal users, pro-audio enthusiasts are less than happy with the native audio infrastructure. We've made a bunch of changes to the infrastructure to support pro-audio apps, but those were mostly focused around providing mechanisms for those apps to bypass the audio infrastructure.
We've also come to realize that the tools for troubleshootingaudio problems aren't the greatest - it's just too hard to figure out what's going on, and the UI (much of which comes from Windows 3.1) is flat-out too old to be useful.

So good things to come shortly.

Now back to iPods and consumer applications and products.

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I only have my own experience to go by. My iPod is over a year old, consistently holds a charge for 12 hours (I use it 2-3 hours a day and charge it every 5-6 days), and has never caused me a single problem. It is full of music both from my old CDs, and songs I have bought from iTunes, both at the 99 cent rate and less, which occurs when you buy entire albums. I have heard of problems with battery life from others however, and the replacement cost for the battery is a shocker.

Call me old-fashioned, but I don't have a problem paying for products and services I use. Of course, I also have a job, an income, and a sense of responsibility.

It seems to me that if everything was free, nothing would have any value.....which I guess is REALLY old-fashioned.

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Re: Uhhh, you people

Michael_S wrote:

Now thats funny!!! I mention that at a show attended by the worlds most respected manufactures of recording equipment (Yamaha, Roland, Korg, Motu, DigiDesign, SSL........) who (not me) all use Mac to exhibit their products (although I do too) and you conclude I have wasted money on a trip and we are in danger of going broke. Someone better tell Focusrite, Presonus, Mackie, M-Audio they are all a buch of dummies. LOL

It is true a company like SSL doesn't sell many mixers, a low buget mixer from them costs 100,000 US$. So they are definately in the minority of people using Mac, macking sure thier editing software is compatible with Mac, idiots eh, Windows is the more commonly used platform BuWhaHAhahahahah!!!!

And I bet you still have a Super Beta HiFi video recorder too.

Bwahahahaha!

Nothing wrong with Apple, but if you're going to a conference where that is all that is being used, you are your krewe are fools.

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cjhsa wrote:

And I bet you still have a Super Beta HiFi video recorder too.

Bwahahahaha!

Nothing wrong with Apple, but if you're going to a conference where that is all that is being used, you are your krewe are fools.

Your not very bright are you? Not only do you not seem to understand plain English, you seem not to understand when someone has taken pity on you and is trying to get you off the hook. Since you seem too lazy to actually try to understand the first thing about this little conference, I have taken the liberty of cutting and pasting a quote from Wikipedia for you,

Quote:

The NAMM Show is the largest musical trade show in the world.

Now, not withstanding you potty remarks, and for the benifit of others on this site, I will try (once again) to put the topic back to iPods.

Basically, the iPod has an entire operating system inside (which is why Linux can be loaded into it, something called Podzilla). This is quite different to a puny flash based MP3 player that any company can knock out in a few weeks. It's by no means a unique product, but I have the belief that Apple will continue to dominate this market for a long time to come by adding new features both on the iPod, Apple (and yes as we all do, on Windows)

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The NAMM is not the largest musical trade show in the world. Not even close. Just a heads up, but you might not want to refer to it as "this little conference" to support your claims.

I'd suggest you expand your horizons.

Ever hear of radio?

You want to play the intelligence bet, I'd recommend you come back when you have a clue.

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And for all of you who just popped in and think 'ol cj's just trolling for a scrum, go back and read my original responses to this thread. I love my iPod, in fact own three, and have had a good consumer experience.

But when people start posting about how Apple is the bestest and only way and our little conference proves it... well, I smell something.

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