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Polar ice advancing, global warming is dead

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 03:25 am
@Ionus,
Andyou've obviously never run the numbers, ionus. Henry's constant adjusts for outgassing with increased temp, and partial pressure increases as CO2 in the atmosphere increases, which it has done far faster than temp rises. Do the numbers, and the ocean IS acidifying and will continue to do so for decades at current production. The science is right. You're wrong.
farmerman
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 03:28 am
@Ionus,
Quote:
Do you see anything about changing temps, you know, like in GW ?


So you claim that what you said in this above statement really means the opposite of what it says?
OK, I will call you the Cheshire Cat from here on, since language means whatever you wish it to mean at that particular moment.

I guess that language skill frees you up from the shackles of making any sense.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 03:43 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
language means whatever you wish it to mean at that particular moment.
Proof is on other threads as well.
farmerman
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 04:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I know, He insults me a lot for "being drunk and/or senile" when he is the one who flips his statements around >I feel its so that he isnt "found out' to be a complete prevaricator and borderline psychopathic liar.

Ionus
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 08:15 pm
@farmerman,
You cant read anymore....it says CONSTANT temperature . But I guess something has to go first, the body or the brain . In your case, the brain has left the building .
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Ionus
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 08:18 pm
@MontereyJack,
I don't know where you get this stuff from . If the temp increases, the ability to take in more CO2 decreases . The science is right . You are wrong . Stop using false science for your political agenda .
Ionus
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 08:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Proof is on other threads as well.
That proof you speak of is proof you are losing what little accuracy you had . Always known for vague wishy washy posting, you now arent even understanding the subject matter of the post you are "replying" to .
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Ionus
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 08:23 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
I know, He insults me a lot for "being drunk and/or senile"
Awww...diddims got a bo bo ? Ed will kiss it better . You have a chip on your shoulder and it is time you stopped reveling in A2K's resident scientist status and admitted to mistakes . You think you are the new God, don't you ? Never made a mistake our Gomer...beyond human .
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MontereyJack
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 08:48 pm
@Ionus,
Do the numbers, you maroon. IF THE PARTIAL PRESSURE INCREASES, OCEANS ABSORB MORE CO2. AND THE PARTIAL PRESSURE HAS INCREASED BY ABOUT 40%, WHICH FAR OVERRIDES THE SMALL INCREASE IN OUTGASSING BY THE 1 DEGREE CELSIUS INCREASE IN TEMP, WHICH HAS ONLY INCREASED HENRY'S CONSTANT BY ABOUT 2 TO 3 PERCENT. LOOK UP HENRY'S CONSTANT FOR CO2 ABSORPTION AND ITS VARIATION WITH INCREASING TEMPERATURE, PLUG IT INTO THE LAW AND FIND OUT HOW BADLY YOU LOSE. Do the math before you post again, or shut up. You're flat out wrong. The scientists are right. The oceans ARE acidifying. Like most denialists, you only seem able to comprehend one variable at a time, which puts you at a hopeless disadvantage when dealing with a multi-variate world.
Ionus
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 09:17 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
The warming of the ocean surface reduces its ability to take up more CO2 as does its increased acidity, Professor Meissner said.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/ocean-losing-its-ability-to-absorb-increasing-carbon-dioxide-emissions-says-report-20140909-10ejo1.html
You are wrong yet again . Isn't it boring to be wrong all the time ? You should have been suspicious when the likes of Paradum and Gomer agreed with you . So STFU .

Seeing you have an amateurs interest in science, what is the normal fluctuation of the ocean's acidity ?
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33export
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 09:24 pm
Watching icebergs break away is a tourist venue some places.Click here for a video of a glacier calving.

Ionus
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 09:25 pm
@33export,
That has happened ever since we have had glaciers .
33export
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 09:30 pm
@Ionus,
I wasn't aware of this form of tourism before seeing this item on the internet.
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MontereyJack
 
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Fri 19 Jun, 2015 11:22 pm
oh come on, ionus. Your cite does NOT support you, In fact it trashes your whole argument. Did you read antything beyond the headline? Apparently not. There is a difference between some slowing down of uptake, which it says may b e happening, and your position, which seems to be that the oceans are outgassing the carbon dioide they have taken in in the past. Read it again (or for the first time). It blows you out of the water (which the oceans aren't doing to CO2).


Quote:
Atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide are rising at a record rate as fossil fuel consumption increases and the ability of the oceans to absorb the greenhouse gas diminishes, the World Meteorological Organisation said.

Average levels of C02 in the atmosphere rose almost 3 parts per million to 396 in 2013, accelerating from the 2.2 ppm increase in the previous year, the UN body said, citing data from 125 monitoring sites worldwide.

"The changes we're seeing are really drastic," Oksana Tarasova, a scientist and chief of the WMO's Global Atmospheric Watch program told The Washington Post. "We are seeing the growth rate rising exponentially."

Atmosphere levels of C02 are now 42 per cent higher than they were in 1750, before the industrial revolution and the subsequent surge in consumption of oil, coal and gas, and increased land-clearing for agriculture and other human activities.

The atmospheric CO2 concentration has not been this high in at least 800,000 years, with the warming effect on the climate rising 34 per cent since 1990, the WMO said.
Two other key greenhouse gases, methane and nitrous oxide are 253 per cent and 121 per cent higher, respectively, since 1750.

The WMO report also contained details on the increased acidification of the world's oceans, noting the level is "unprecedented" over the past 300 million years.
"The ocean's acidity increase is already measurable as oceans take up about 4 kilograms of CO2 per day per person," the report said.

Katrin Meissner, an oceanographer and climate modeller at the University of NSW, said physical and biological processes under way will curb the ability of oceans to absorb C02, leaving more of it in the atmosphere.

The warming of the ocean surface reduces its ability to take up more CO2 as does its increased acidity, Professor Meissner said.

Since the warmer surface waters are lighter, there is less exchange with the deeper ocean, which also reduces the absorption ability. In turn, the reduced mixing of waters will mean fewer nutrients will be brought to the surface, altering the ecology of the seas and reducing the biological uptake of carbon, she said.

"The prediction is that all three [processes] are going to slow down," Professor Meissner said.

Slowing uptake

Michael Raupach, formerly of the CSIRO and now at the Australian National University, said land and oceans take up about half of all CO2 emissions and help show the pace of global warming.

Despite some year-to-year variability, particularly on land, a pattern is emerging over decades suggesting the sinks "are not keeping pace with rising CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere", Professor Raupach said.

"This is partly a sign that the efficiencies of the all-important land and ocean CO2 sinks are weakening," he said.




You will notice, if you are honest, Ionus, that your cite says that global warming IS taking place. A position you have been denigrating. Good work, Ionus, your own sources prove you're more full of hot air than the changing atmosphere is. And that's a lot.
farmerman
 
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Sat 20 Jun, 2015 03:46 am
@MontereyJack,
.

I think that reading comprehension is NOT included in Anus' list of skills


Ionus
 
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Sat 20 Jun, 2015 04:24 am
@MontereyJack,
You are clearly mentally ill . It says without ambiguity that the warmer the water the less CO2 will be absorbed . That is what you have been in denial about .
And to prove temperature doesnt affect that intake, what did you put in bold ? The oceans have high CO2 content and high acidification, which incidentally is bullshit as they are still akaline . But even an ardent enthusiast like I quoted knows that :
Quote:
The warming of the ocean surface reduces its ability to take up more CO2 as does its increased acidity, Professor Meissner said.
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Ionus
 
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Sat 20 Jun, 2015 04:26 am
@farmerman,
Oh that's hilarious coming from someone who has made a fool of themselves several times in a row because they cant comprehend what is going on .
farmerman
 
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Sat 20 Jun, 2015 04:33 am
@Ionus,
Im fine. I fear it is you who has lost any touch with reality.
Everything I said has been correct and factual. You are just a contrarious ignorant liar who is at the bottom 8th of a bottom quartile on reading comp.
Do you need to have someone explain STOP signs to you?

Do you wish to post any more articles that "make your point"? That one didnt help your "debate" .
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farmerman
 
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Sat 20 Jun, 2015 05:27 am
@Ionus,
when you cant think of anything intelligent, a well crafted dose of personal insult always strengthens your argument.
Good Shew !

How I envy your debate skills.

Someone said you were a masterdbater

 

 
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