14 year old student bangs teacher, then calls the cops

People - when I said the "male is more likely to be the pursuer" I meant it in the biological sense, not in specific relation to this case. And, nimh, if biologically ingrained gender roles regarding sex are "pseudo-scientific baloney," your going to have a tough time explaining why we notice the same dynamic (pursuer, pursued) in pretty much every other animal on the planet.

I'll offer an anecdote, which I think solidifies my argument as indisputable: I would have banged my eighth grade teacher with glee, and likely would have trumpeted it throughout the school as a victory of sorts.

There are species where the male is not in fact the pursuer, as any occasional viewer of Animal Planet should know. Are they being "unnatural" because there are more of the other kind? Of course not. The no-brainer here is that one species' behaviour simply says nothing about what is natural for another's. And thus the span of patterns in the rest of the animal world also says nothing about what is natural (or "biologically ingrained") in humans.

As far as humans go, you and I well know that both men and women pursue each other quite diligently. It is true that in our culture, as Brandon so helpfully points out <giggles>, "males ask females out and females wait to be asked out". Well, thats how it used to be, anyway. I dont see how its still the case now, actually - but hey, perhaps I'm just part of a scene where we've lost all touch with our biologically ingrained selves, you never know. In any case, as Brandon already admitted, "The female may be pursuing in her own way" (duh). The whole, but she's not supposed to do the actual asking here thus is clearly mere social convention, that has demonstrably changed over time, too.

Then there's, of course, the glaring contrast between your assertion about what is biologically ingrained, and this story, in which it was obviously the woman who pursued, in the crudest way possible.

IronLionZion wrote:

I'll offer an anecdote, which I think solidifies my argument as indisputable: I would have banged my eighth grade teacher with glee, and likely would have trumpeted it throughout the school as a victory of sorts.

Right. That solidifies your argument? Seriously?

There's no difference between men and women here. If anything, there's more teenage girls avidly fantasizing about their male teachers. But as story after story has shown us, when it actually starts happening, its often a different story. Even if the occasional male teacher/female student relationship did end up right, more often than not there's guilt and powertrips and some kind of abuse of position going on. Your bravado aside, there's little evidence that the same tricky psychological stuff wouldnt be coming up when it's a boy that gets involved in it. And this teacher, in any case, was clearly going on some kind of powertrip here.

Some researchers have been frankly dismayed at what they have discovered. Some of their findings have been, if not suppressed, at least quietly shelved because of their potential social impact. But it is usually better to act on the basis of what is true, rather than to maintain, with the best will in the world, that what is true has no right to be so.

All of that may, or may not, be so.

What does any of it have to do with a teacher screwing a minor student?

It is not hard to see how I arrived at my conclusion: a male having sex with a female, even if that female is older and pursuing him, is unlikely to be as psychologically damaging as having a younger female being used for sex by an older man. The male is primarily concerned with copulation, and his emotions and mind are fine-tuned accordingly. The female is not.

I know from working with men who were molested as kids that, for many, (at least of the ones I have worked with), a significant part of the trauma has been about feeling that they have been made less male - that it is like being made like a woman, who are traditionally seen as the "normal" victims of sexual abuse and assault (hard for them to say to me, for obvious reasons - but there it was, lurking in the depths) - and that, for the very few - so far - I have worked with who were molested by women - it was particularly difficult for them to sort out exactly what the realities of the situation were - (unless they were extremely young at the time) whether it was abuse or not, because boys are supposed to be chasing sex, all the time - aren't they?

What a moron !

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