@Olivier5,
Quote: I don't know, but this discussion is not making much progress.
Quite true, because, as always, you can't or won't say anything of substance that relates to the issues being discussed. You say, for example...
Quote:Frames of reference are mathematical tools necessary to calculate motion, distances, speed, etc. of other mathematical objects. Such frames are concepts existing only in the mind. They are not physical objects. Even when a frame of reference is "anchored" on a physical object, it is NOT the same thing as the object.
I agree with this entirely, but so what? In what way is it relevant to anything we're discussing? In what way does it even begin to respond to specific questions I ask, which you always duck?
What is your point? Can you say? Is it that SR is "meaningless?" I doubt that's your claim. So what is the relevance?
Tell you what. Let's just say, for now, that YOU are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about everything you say you are, and that I am absolutely wrong about everything you say I am wrong about, OK?
Now, with that out of the way, can you answer this question?:
Quote:Do you agree with the difference I have shown between LR and SR in the 120 hour train example? If not, why not?