Debunking the Vietnam War - History of Vietnam & Ho Chi Minh

PDiddie, good link to a vet's point of view. I have often wondered since Rummy made the remark what he really meant to say. There's always more to every issue than meets the eye or ear. Interpersonal relationships are very difficult things. You could probably get as many different explanations of the SecDefs remark as there were people who heard it.

I like your Mojo remark. Suggests something positive in my opinion.

Blatham, here's that other thread you mentioned http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1591&highlight=

PDiddie, sorry, partner, but while I'm no Rummy fan, I don't buy into attacking him on that. Rumsfeld criticized THE DRAFT itself, observing, quite correctly, that as implemented during the Viet Nam era, it was inefficient and counterproductive to the overall War Effort. He cast no aspersions on draftees themselves. As far as I can see, there's no fight there to pick. I said my piece on this attempt to manufacture an issue earlier in this thread, I believe. Still, that was a cute Flash Animation ... thanks for the link.



timber

PDiddie thanks for the animation from Take Back the Media. He may have meant something other than he said, Timber, but this man has a habit of being rude. Read Robert Novak's column in the Chicago Sun Times (syndicated in the Wash Post today). Apparently he has been more than rude and arrogant to GOP leaders and they told Andrew Card at a Senate retreat this weekend that they were very unhappy with his arrogance and rudeness and would not stand for it any more. This man doesn't seem to know how to be sensitive. The column is called "Disaffected Troops."

What he said was very insensitive, in my opinion...and apparently to a lot of other folks.

Vietnamnurse,

Got links??

Blatham:

Listen you anti-american scum, do what we tell you or we'll throw your anti-patriotic ass in jail!

Compassionately,

George

anon, sounds as if you've been taking notes from Spiro T. Agnew! lol
Except Agnew used BIG words!!

>> ZAP! notice >>

Decided to override firewall and post - will explain to supercomputer sysadmin later, ahem, make that hope will live long enough to explain - in order to:

1. Welcome Maraso to thread!
2. Thank some friends here for providing graphic demonstrations of why raw data is generally preferable to agenda-driven 2nd- or3rd-hand analyses:
(2.1) Senator Joe Lieberman just completed his candidacy announcement speech using the word "evil" in 10 minutes more times than President Bush has in 2 years.
(2.2) Respectfully suggest to those who downloaded the flash animation from the "takebackthemedia" site to run a virus scan and see what else was downloaded on their systems along with Macromedia's software used in animation.
(2.3) Novak column is - oddly enough! - not entitled "Disaffected Troops" but "GOP Senators on the Warpath"which might cause some difficulty with getting to original link:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak13.html
3. Ask Anon to please let Blatham live this time - he's needed at Lola's Salon elsewhere on this site.
4. Quote the late, lamented (by me, at any rate) Attorney General (Nixon administration) John Mitchell: "There is no truth to the rumor that we nominate the presidential candidate of the Democratic Party."

Suppose the Nixon-era quote brought thread back to subject - chronologically at any rate <G>

Link won't open directly as posted >>

http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak13.html

>> either it's my firewalls striking back or you have to access the home page of suntimes first - either way will see you next weekend. Really looking forward to reading all your comments - wishing a great week to all!

I believe Lieberman was one of those 'liverals' that continued to criticize GW on his "war on terror" and "US security," but NEVER offered one solution to these problems. Is that how he intends to run the US if he wins the presidency? c.i.

CI:

Lieberman schliberman, he' a liberal? Nobody tells me anything!!!

Anon

HofT, the site will not open - even tried the Chicago Sun-Times site - it didn't open either. Guess it's down for some reason.

Will try later. Nice CON trails your leaving!!

Anon, As most A2Kers know about me, I'm no supporter of Bush, but Lieberman is a 'true' liberal. He runs on negative rhetoric of the GOP without providing the solutions. How a man without stature such as Lieberman can run for president of this country is beyond my understanding, but I could never understand why Bush won! c.i.

Hi Helen...thanks for giving the link. It is "Disaffected Troops" in the WP, but "Senators On the Warpath" in the Sun-Times. Sorry, Danon, I just had to answer the door when I posted!

I had bad news, bad news indeed. We have been without heat for 4 days and each day my house gets colder. It was 22 outside last night and it is barely 40 in my computer room. I FEEL LIKE NANOOK OF THE NORTH! My computer is slow and my hands are blue, so you must forgive my slowness in replying!

Try: http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak13.html

It just worked for me Danon.

No furnace until Thursday! Oh my! I am from Minnesota, but that was a loooooooooooong time ago!

lieberman is a sheep in sheep's clothing.

HofT

(Suggest you have next web constructed by union certified electricians.)

Lieberman is probably a very nice grandfather, but if he gets anywhere near the Presidency, I swear an oath here and now that I will sneak across the sacred 49th (hitching a ride with one of the many Al Quada driving leisurely south from Saskatoon) and stuff the book of Leviticus covered with brisk Canadian tundra snow down the front of his pants.

Senator Lieberman is a mild mannered man, who should stay out of the race.

But...Lieberman would be a better candidate than either Gore or Kerry.

ps

Re Shultz...as Michael Beschloss put it on Lehrer's show regarding the Iran Contra hearings, "At least Shultz appeared to be from the same planet as myself"