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Would the World be Better off Without Religion?

 
 
fresco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 02:14 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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If there is a god, however, the god could certainly let me know it exists if it wants to do so. So far...apparently no god has wanted to do so.

Laughing Good rationalization of escape from holy orders ! Laughing
JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 02:43 pm
I am also a naive realist in my practical everyday life. How could I not be, and live in a world of naive realists? But Naive Realism is not a useful foundation for philosophical speculation (or even the investigations of contemporary physics). Moverover I would never attempt to convince a legal court that its assumptions about matters like self, free-will and choice are philosofically defensible bases for my conviction and punishment. It would'nt work for a minute. I* see no empirical evidence for a self-within "me", only an irresistable pressure to behave is if there were; I make no choices but choices are made--by Nature, but not by a self (ego)-within-me; I am not free, but my true nature (perhaps I can say my Big Self as opposed to my Little Self) is free insofar as it is not restrained by other aspects of Nature.

* notice that I am culturally constrained to contradict myself by the grammatical necessity of using "I" and "me" in this communcation. I think it was Nietzche who said something like "Grammar is the metaphysics of the masses.."
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:03 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

So you want a special message, like . . .
Fraaannk!!. Over here, Frank!

I don't think that's gonna happen. Very Happy


Neither do I.

So I will continue to live my life as though there might be a god...and there might not be one. And as for looking or searching for a god...it is a recipe for delusion...so I will not do it.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:04 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

You're gonna hafta look!


If you look hard enough for Zeus...sooner or later you are going to find him.

Much better not to look.

If there is a god and that god wants me to know it exists...it will let me know without me looking.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:04 pm
@JLNobody,
JLNobody wrote:
. . . Naive Realism is not a useful foundation for philosophical speculation (or even the investigations of contemporary physics)
Why assume a naive realist unable to comprehend that fundamental axioms must vary with the discipline? This may not necessarily apply to the spculative nature of philosophy, but must certainly apply in mathematics and science. How hard is it to wrap your mind around the idea that non parallel lines must intersect in plane geometry but may be skewed in solid geometry?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:05 pm
@fresco,
No rationalization, Fresco.

There may be a god...there may be a whole bunch of gods...there may be none.

So what?
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:06 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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It is about time both sides of this issue finally come to grips with that


How do you know ?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:09 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

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It is about time both sides of this issue finally come to grips with that


How do you know ?


I do not know...that is why I revised it to "It is my opinion..."

It is my opinion that now is the right time for that.


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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:10 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
If you look hard enough for Zeus...sooner or later you are going to find him.
True.
He does exist, he and his pantheon.
They are described in the Bible under different names.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:12 pm
@neologist,
Oh!
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:13 pm
@neologist,
Does he shave now ? Still a hypster ?
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:17 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
He's tough on Norelco, I'll bet.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:20 pm
@neologist,
Does he have any advise for the youngest Gods ? I mean, being older one would guess he might have one trick or two to teach them...so they can improve at "Godness", feel me ?
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:23 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
If you know him and have special access could you ask him to lend me the thunder thing ? I always wanted to play with thunder...
fresco
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:26 pm
@JLNobody,
Good points! Alas, probably too subtle for those denying experience of the impermanence of those (small) "selves"we call "I" as though they were permanent. The existential extrapolations stemming from such understanding are indeed in a different league to any "realism" which assumes language is representational.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:27 pm
@fresco,
Wow...Fresco agreeing with JL.

Who woulda thunk it?
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:29 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Well, he is the father of the lie. (John 8:44). So, I suppose he would advise wannabes to keep on lying.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:29 pm
@JLNobody,
Please add to my previous post: are NOT philosophically defensible bases for...
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:30 pm
@neologist,
There now I get it...he being the oldest he invented it. Very useful. We all love it.

...by the way is oncle Luci jely ?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2015 03:36 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:
If you know him and have special access could you ask him to lend me the thunder thing ? I always wanted to play with thunder..
Are you asking about self generated thunder? I recommend quaffing a full pint of fine IPA. Beyond that, it takes practice to refine the the correct placement of the lower jaw, how wide to open the mouth for effective modulation, etc.
 

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