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Would the World be Better off Without Religion?

 
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 01:07 pm
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2015 02:37 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Excellent but longuish. In short, conscience is a darwinian OS for thoughts, which are akin to software. Or something like that.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 07:58 am
Quote:
What Deleuze calls "desiring machines" concerns something wholly different from the mechanical: the "becoming-machine." In what does this becoming consist? To many an obsessional neurotic, the fear of flying has a very concrete image: one is haunted by the thought of how many parts of such an immensely complicated machine as a modern plane have to function smoothly in order for the plane to remain in the air - one small lever breaks somewhere, and the plane may very well spiral downwards... One often relates in the same way towards one's own body: how many small things have to run smoothly for me to stay alive? - a tiny clot of blood in a vein, and I die. When one starts to think how many things can go wrong, one cannot but experience total and overwhelming panic. The Deleuzian »schizo,« on the other hand, merrily identifies with this infinitely complex machine which is our body: he experiences this impersonal machine as his highest assertion, rejoicing in its constant tickling. As Deleuze emphasizes, what we get here is not the relationship of a metaphor (the old boring topic of "machines replacing humans"), but that of metamorphosis, of the "becoming-machine" of a man. It is here that the "reductionist" project goes wrong: the problem is not how to reduce mind to neuronal "material" processes (to replace the language of mind by the language of brain processes, to translate the first one into the second one), but, rather, to grasp how mind can emerge only through being embedded in the network of social relations and material supplements. In other words, the true problem is not "How, if at all, could machines IMITATE the human mind?," but, "How does the very identity of human mind rely on external mechanical supplements? How does it incorporate machines?"

http://www.lacan.com/zizsalsation.html
north
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jun, 2015 09:42 pm
@Olivier5,

Of course the World would be better off . Religion divides Humanity .

Humanity would be a thousand fold better if we could just see the bigger picture , the Universe and our place of existence in it .
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2015 05:31 am
@north,
Humanity is competitive by nature. They would have found other reasons to war.
north
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2015 11:07 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Humanity is competitive by nature. They would have found other reasons to war.


Perhaps , yet being competitive , is not a mindset to war , although to some it is .

Competitive by nature is to challenge your physical and mental faculties . which is fine. But to kill any Human , in doing so is not .

In the bigger picture , the Universe , destroying or warring against ourselves , is perhaps, in the intial stages , understandable . But not in the end .

We NEED to understand , all of Humanity NEEDS to understand , All races , All Countries , All religions , All intellectuals and Simple people on this planet , are important .

BECAUSE IN THE END WE ARE ALL HUMAN.

AND NO PHILOSOPHY , NO RELIGION , NO POLITICS , NO SCIENCE , CAN REPLACE US IF WE DESTROY OURSELVES .

THINK ........

Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2015 05:21 am
@north,
If we destroy ourselves, we will just get what we deserve. Think.
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FBM
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2015 05:35 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Humanity is competitive by nature. They would have found other reasons to war.


I tend to agree, but maybe to a lesser extent than your words seem to suggest. I suspect that if our cooperative bent didn't overpower our competitive nature, then we probably wouldn't have survived as a species. I was reading something about that recently in Nature or something. I'll see if I can find it.
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FBM
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2015 05:44 am
https://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6143/270

Quote:
Lethal Aggression in Mobile Forager Bands and Implications for the Origins of War

Ancient Warriors or Murderers?


Some have suggested that the human predilection for war is ancient, perhaps dating back to the emergence of our species, while others maintain that evidence for such early warring is scant. Past studies that looked at nomadic foraging bands as models of early humans and their potential for conflict concluded that war is in our blood. Fry and Söderberg (p. 270), however, reexamined the standard cross-cultural sample, the main repository for behavioral data on forage bands, and found little evidence for large-scale conflicts or wars. Instead, the majority of incidences of lethal aggression in these societies were homicides driven by a variety of factors relevant at the individual or family scale.


Not exactly the same one I read, but related. I'll keep looking.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2015 06:08 am
@FBM,
Rousseau's 'good savage' will never die.
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GorDie
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 06:02 pm
@argome321,
we would still be in the stone age bashing each other with rocks,
medieval ages disgracing each other,
ruled by corrupt slaving tyrants.

The world would be run by moralless imbicils like highschool from hell.

I was popular in highschool. But I am not stupid enough to suggest it wasn't filled with inequality fromt eh atheist asshoels and slutty atheist whores.

You are 100% wrong to suggest any fruit comes from removing religion at any time.
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 06:04 pm
@GorDie,
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/17926_929832943705306_5570793126477869877_n.jpg
Krumple
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 07:47 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/17926_929832943705306_5570793126477869877_n.jpg


Not to mention that it is horribly compiled and a boring read. It might be on the best seller list but it's not for it's literary brilliance.
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 07:52 pm
@Krumple,
Gotta admit though, you can't deny its effectiveness at getting lots and lot of people to hate, oppress and murder the "right" people. Even after the believers split into groups, it still inspires them all to hate each other.
Krumple
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 07:55 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Gotta admit though, you can't deny its effectiveness at getting lots and lot of people to hate, oppress and murder the "right" people. Even after the believers split into groups, it still inspires them all to hate each other.


I think one of the funniest things is that the bible promotes the killing of homosexuals but is perfectly fine with incest.
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 08:04 pm
@Krumple,
Thou shalt not kill. Edit: Except for....

My brother died (really) and if I had to marry his widow and father a child by her, I'd jump from a skyscraper first. Ugg.
Krumple
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 08:06 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Thou shalt not kill. Edit: Except for....

My brother died (really) and if I had to marry his widow and father a child by her, I'd jump from a skyscraper first. Ugg.


What about if you had two daughters who spiked your drink so you would pass out and then took turns raping you? And they each got pregnant? You can be a father and grandfather in one shot.
FBM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 08:22 pm
@Krumple,
Also "ugg."

Back when I was still trying to stay in church, I went to try out a Methodist church. The preacher said in his sermon that if you miss one Sunday at church, you'll go to hell. I figured I'd already missed so many that I was done for by that reasoning, so I said "**** it" and never went back.
Krumple
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 08:27 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

Also "ugg."

Back when I was still trying to stay in church, I went to try out a Methodist church. The preacher said in his sermon that if you miss one Sunday at church, you'll go to hell. I figured I'd already missed so many that I was done for by that reasoning, so I said "**** it" and never went back.


I bet so many companies would love to be able to use that sort of marketing scheme. "If you don't buy our product consistently, you'll be imprisoned and tortured until the end of time."

FBM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 08:42 pm
@Krumple,
I reckon that's what makes religions so successful, eh? That and divine protection and good luck from a big guy in the sky.
 

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