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Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2014 02:47 pm
@dalehileman,
agreed
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2014 05:02 pm
@Wilso,
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But I certainly won't be getting them any religious education while they're minds are still so malleable.
To the contrary Wilso it's best exactly then before their minds are set

Of course I don't mean indoctrination, just exposure to various religious notions as a sort of philo aside

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I've never told my children that a god either does or doesn't exist
I'd suppose one might acknowledge his own belief or lack thereof but also carefully exposing the kid to contrary ideas
Wilso
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2014 05:58 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

Quote:
But I certainly won't be getting them any religious education while they're minds are still so malleable.
To the contrary Wilso it's best exactly then before their minds are set

Of course I don't mean indoctrination, just exposure to various religious notions as a sort of philo aside

Quote:
I've never told my children that a god either does or doesn't exist
I'd suppose one might acknowledge his own belief or lack thereof but also carefully exposing the kid to contrary ideas


The question I would pose is WHY? Why does religion hold this place that it should be introduced to children? At the moment they're learning how to read and write. How to count, add up and subtract. They're learning how to socialise with their peers. They're learning how to form friendships, how to share, and hopefully they're learning how to be good and honest people from the example set by my wife and myself, their grand parents, they're teachers. Why should all of this be complicated by the introduction of religion?

chai2
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2014 06:18 pm
@George,
George wrote:

So a parent who teaches religion to his child is ignorant or fanatical?


He said "by the ignorant or fanatical mom and pop" not that any parent doing so is ignorant or fanatical.
George
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2014 08:27 pm
@chai2,
I took it the worse way.
I get my back up easy over stuff like that.
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DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2014 09:26 pm
@Greatest I am,
Schools should be mandated to teach that DNA is now storing binary computer information, thus revealing it's true use as the storage medium of the code of life, which makes us machines of sorts. All machines are created as all code is written by intelligent code writers.
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 02:59 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

dalehileman wrote:
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Religion should be taught in religion class, not science class.
And philo too Bran

What good has Philosophy ever done the human race?


Are you a fan of logic?
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FBM
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 03:01 am
@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswas wrote:

Religious studies should be taught at school, so young people have basic knowlege regarding most religions.


Excellent distinction. (My emphasis)

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Religion should be taught at home or in the family place of worship...


Or not at all.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 01:19 pm
@Wilso,
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Why does religion hold this place that it should be introduced to children?
'Cause when they get a little older, Wil, they form a mindset. Earlier introduction to a range of ideas promotes a more flexible future
Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 05:20 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

Quote:
Why does religion hold this place that it should be introduced to children?
'Cause when they get a little older, Wil, they form a mindset. Earlier introduction to a range of ideas promotes a more flexible future


critical thinking will do that. Religion won't
dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 05:27 pm
@Wilso,
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Religion won't
Not just religion, Wil, but a deeper, wider philo app. Not suggesting they be steeped in the lit, only occasionally introduced to such ideas without grading
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 09:47 am
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:
The question I would pose is WHY? Why does religion hold this place that it should be introduced to children?


I assume Australia is multicultural, and that your child won't be existing purely in a group who think as you do. It's important to understand how people who believe differently from yourself think, and what is important to them. Otherwise you run the risk of ghettoising society, where different groups don't mix and view each other with mistrust.
Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 12:47 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Wilso wrote:
The question I would pose is WHY? Why does religion hold this place that it should be introduced to children?


I assume Australia is multicultural, and that your child won't be existing purely in a group who think as you do. It's important to understand how people who believe differently from yourself think, and what is important to them. Otherwise you run the risk of ghettoising society, where different groups don't mix and view each other with mistrust.


That generally happens (has already) with Muslim communities. A really good example was the large influx of Lebanese into Australia during their civil war. Most of them were Christians, who immediately integrated into Australian society, and you wouldn't know are here. But the Muslims all gathered in small areas. I'm right in the middle of Lakemba right now, one of the densest areas of Muslim populations in the country.
PS. I'm in Sydney for carpal tunnel surgery, and my best friends live smack in the middle of Lakemba. Hoping to go up the road to a Lebanese restaurant that sells some of the best (taste and value) food I've ever had.
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 06:40 am
@Wilso,
Good luck with your surgery Wilso. Hope all goes well
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 07:12 am
@Wilso,
Hope your surgery is successful. I doubt the election of Tony Abbott will encourage many Moslems to integrate.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 09:26 am
My outlook was similar to that expressed by Wilso. Except, I did not shield the children from exposure to religion, but I never broached it at all, until they came to me. I told them I did not believe in such things, but they were free to go to church and learn religion if they wanted to.
Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 7 Dec, 2014 12:23 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

My outlook was similar to that expressed by Wilso. Except, I did not shield the children from exposure to religion, but I never broached it at all, until they came to me. I told them I did not believe in such things, but they were free to go to church and learn religion if they wanted to.


That's pretty close to what I'm doing. My kids are only 5 and 7. 5-year-old starts school in January. The school runs scripture classes, which mine don't go to. They have other activities, including other classes where they "talk about the value of friendship" to quote Thalia. Other times they just play games. The subject hasn't really come up yet. it probably helps that her best friend also does the alternative activities.
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2015 02:57 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Science, including evolution, and religious belief does not mix. However, Creationism could conceivably be taught about in a comparative religion class.


No argument but if evolution is outlawed in Comparative religion then you stifle any discussions that any non-believer might have and I do not see that as fair play. Many religious call atheism a religion so we should turn that right back on them in this case.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2015 03:04 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

GrAm (or is it DL), I've felt without much hope that philo and relig ought to be taught starting in grade school

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We must save our children from foolish belief in the supernatural.
That depends of course on what one means by "supernatural." I see the Big Bang and evolution as perfectly natural processes though of course there's a lot we don't understand about either

So as an apodictical existential pantheist I view the Universe as Her body and all the activity therein as Her thought. Completely free of from the contradiction and paradox of dualism this view might satisfy both the atheist and ardent canonist, attachment of the term "God" being entirely arbitrary

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If the U.S. fails to educate it’s children properly ….. --- the U.S. will shrink it’s economy and power…...
Very pertinent observation but as I said I don't offer much prospect


I agree with your first. Soonest is best.

To your possibly justified pessimism in implementation, I say, -----

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu3VTngm1F0

Regards
DL
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2015 03:06 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

Religion should be taught in religion class, not science class.


No one said otherwise.

Regards
DL
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