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room109
 
Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 05:56 am
What can be considered a higher human idea?
That is attainable..
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fresco
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 06:36 am
@room109,
The pinnacle of "higher" could perhaps be a TOE (Theory of Everything). Whether that is attainable or not remains to be seen.
I personally doubt it because I hold the view that "things" depend on the needs of observers who "thing them".
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 06:43 am
@fresco,
By the needs of the observer... then how do we come to knoweldge at all? And what is it?
fresco
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 06:56 am
@room109,
My definition of "knowledge" would be " a selective set of confident expectations about the nature of "the world" as defined by human needs". Membership of that set implies no permanence since "needs" also shift.
room109
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 06:59 am
@fresco,
Expectation as in guess or mathmatical prediction
room109
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:02 am
@fresco,
A critisim could be that a confident expectation can be wrong. Thus in my or a opinion that i ascribe to to be inaccurate defintion,
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fresco
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:03 am
@room109,
Expectations as in "that which informs subsequent action". The justification process for such expectations is itself a topic for debate within epistemology (as discussed in the reference... OTHER THREAD).
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:10 am
@fresco,
By your defintion all knoweldge is false.
And action based on such false knoweldge is error thus all action error
And all of existence being a error
Life itself is nullified
This however is dependent on the observer as you put it lol
fresco
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:27 am
@room109,
No. The concept of "truth" and "falsity" have no absolute meaning (except to theists). They are always contextually relative as a reading of the epistemology literature will show you. That fact that humans, by definition, have a high degree of common perceptual apparatus and needs implies that agreement about contextual knowledge is often the norm. Epistemological enquiry must encompass the fact that not all observers are human, and not all humans have the same needs.



room109
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 07:30 am
@fresco,
This is where we disagree.
However im not a theist
fresco
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 08:38 am
@room109,
I suggest you check out the difference between "the correspondence theory of truth" versus "coherence theory of truth".
room109
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 06:43 pm
@fresco,
Will you post a link. For me
room109
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2014 06:48 pm
@room109,
So a higer human idea or aim according to you would be the will to knoweldge and truth while the highest aim would be toe.
Lets say this is acomplished then what?
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fresco
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2014 12:07 am
@room109,
Googling "truth" should do it.

As for TOE I have not considered "what next" because I think it is chasing rainbows. Epistemology is open ended in my opinion.
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