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United nations, EU, where are you??

 
 
au1929
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2004 04:28 pm
Walter
France mobilizes Dafur troops

Step in the right direction. Now let's see if they are willing to put the boots on the ground in sufficient numbers to do some good.

Sorry if I came on too strong about the EU. However, my point is that much of the strife on the African continent can be laid at the feet of the European nations that colonized and raped Africa. Therefore IMO it is those nations responsibility, no duty, to be deeply involved in it's remediation. With boots on the ground if need be and not after thousands have died.
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Thok
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2004 03:59 am
au1929 wrote:

France mobilizes Dafur troops
Step in the right direction.


absolutely. Even if,of course, any economy interest are be behind it.


But:

Sudan rejects U.N. sanctions threat

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The U.N. Security Council has threatened to clamp sanctions on Sudan in 30 days if it does not disarm and prosecute marauding militia in Darfur, under a U.S.-drafted resolution.

Sudan rejected the move as "misguided."

The 13-0 vote, with abstentions from China and Pakistan, came after the United States deleted the provocative word "sanctions" from the resolution and substituted a reference to a provision in the U.N. charter that describes various forms of sanctions.

No specific measures were identified to punish the Sudanese government. Friday's resolution also placed a weapons embargo on armed groups in Darfur.

Whether sanctions ever will be imposed is questionable. The United States and its European allies in the Security Council faced considerable opposition on the resolution and had to reword the sanctions threat to attract enough votes.

However, many humanitarian organisations believe the resolution is far too mild.

"The last thing we wanted to do was lay the groundwork for sanctions," U.S. Ambassador John Danforth said. "But the government of Sudan has left us no choice."

"It has done the unthinkable. It has fostered an armed attack on its own civilian population. It has created a humanitarian disaster," he said.

The measure, co-sponsored by Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Chile and Romania, demands that the Sudanese government disarm and prosecute within 30 days militia known as Janjaweed, or the Security Council would consider punitive measures.

At least 30,000 people have died and thousands have been raped in Darfur. Some 1 million villagers have been driven into barren camps and 2 million need food and medicine in what the United Nations calls the world's worst humanitarian crisis.

In Bredjing, Chad on Friday, Darfur refugees poured over the border, waiting patiently to receive sacks of rice, tins of cooking oil and green plastic sheets from aid groups.

The resolution tells the United Nations to plan for peacekeepers, but none are expected soon. The resolution also seeks to augment African Union monitors, who have reported more rapes and abuses in Darfur in the last few weeks.

KHARTOUM SAYS "NO"

Sudan's Information Minister Al-Zahawi Ibrahim Malik rejected what he called the Security Council's "misguided resolution."

Malik said the Security Council had intentionally ignored efforts by Khartoum, the African Union and the Arab League to resolve the crisis. He blamed the crisis on African groups who rebelled last year against Khartoum's policies.


That says Reuters
and ...
CNN wrote:
Sudanese Minister of the Interior, Abdul Rahim, told CNN his country objected to the resolution but could not reject it.


well?
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Thok
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2004 10:32 am
CNN has right.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jul, 2004 12:52 pm
Sudan said Saturday that it will accept the UN resolution threatening sanctions if the country does not restore security to the Dafur region, backing down from its previous refusal. Osman Al Said, Sudan's ambassador to the African Union, said that while Sudan is not pleased with the resolution, without any other options and fearful of action taken against Sudan itself, it will attempt to comply.

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Sudan Says It Accepts U.N. Resolution on Darfur

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Thok
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2004 12:39 am
British soldiers 'on standby' for Sudan

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ritish soldiers have been put on standby for a possible deployment to Sudan to help tackle what the U.N. has described as the world's worst humanitarian crisis, the Independent on Sunday says.

A spokeswoman for the Ministry of Defence described the article as "just speculation", but she repeated comments made by Britain's top military commander last week that the country could send troops to Sudan if they were requested.

She said no such request had been made.

The newspaper said soldiers of the 12th Mechanised Infantry Brigade were being briefed this weekend about a possible trip to Sudan.

General Mike Jackson, chief of staff, said last week a brigade could be put together "very quickly indeed".

The U.N. Security Council adopted a resolution on Friday which threatens Sudan with sanctions in 30 days if it fails to stop fighting in western Sudan's Darfur region.

The United Nations estimates at least 30,000 people have been killed and more than a million others displaced by the conflict.


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Thok
 
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Reply Sun 1 Aug, 2004 12:00 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Sudan said Saturday that it will accept the UN resolution


But they said now on Sunday the will be accept only 90 days.
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Thok
 
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Reply Mon 2 Aug, 2004 03:15 pm
Latest: : UN human rights team finds mass graves in Ivory Coast.

There are now the UN ..
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Thok
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2004 12:36 am
U.N. finds mass graves in Ivory Coast

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A United Nations human rights team has found three mass graves with at least 99 bodies in Ivory Coast's northern rebel stronghold of Korhogo, the U.N. mission in the West African country said on Monday.

A U.N. spokesman in the main city Abidjan said the victims had been killed during clashes between rival factions on June 20-21. He said it was not clear whether civilians were among the dead.

"Some of these people were killed by bullets. According to reliable and consistent witness accounts, others died from suffocation," the U.N. mission said in a statement.

The June clashes followed what rebels said was a failed assassination attempt against the political leader of their movement, Guillaume Soro.

The rebels said at the time several fighters detained after an attack on Soro's convoy in Korhogo had disclosed that they backed Ibrahim Coulibaly, a Paris-based military chief rival to Soro. Coulibaly -- known as "IB" -- has denied any involvement.

London-based human rights group Amnesty International said it had received information indicating that dozens of people arrested by Soro's forces had been put in containers and died from suffocation.

Others appeared to have been decapitated or killed with their hands bound behind their back, it said in a statement.

The U.N. team which visited Korhogo said it was concerned about the people who were still in detention. A full report was due to be published soon.

"We have nothing to say for the moment, until the report comes out," rebel spokesman Sidiki Konate said.

Ivory Coast, the world's top cocoa producer, has been split in two since a civil war grew out of a failed coup in September 2002.

The conflict was declared over last year but progress towards peace has been slow and human rights groups say serious abuses and killings have continued in both the rebel-held north and government-controlled south.

Between the two sides are 4,000 French soldiers with another 6,240 peacekeepers being sent by the United Nations.


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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2004 12:42 am
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Hampered by monsoon, UN begins aid drops in Darfur
By Anne Penketh, Diplomatic Editor
03 August 2004


The UN has begun aid drops of food into remote areas of Darfur because of continuing insecurity on Sudanese roads and the heavy rains, which have combined to hamper the emergency aid effort.

"Dropping food by air is always an expensive last resort, but, for many parts of Darfur, we simply have no other option at this time of year," said Ramiro Lopes da Silva, the Sudan director of the World Food Programme.

The UN agency dropped 22 tons of food supplies to the farming town of Fur Buranga in western Darfur on Sunday, and plans to deliver this month a total of 1,400 tons of food to help 72,000 people displaced by the conflict.

It is hoped that the roads will be passable again in September once the rainy season eases.

But the WFP also reported that groups of rebels, who took up arms against the central government 17 months ago , had looted aid convoys on two occasions last monthstealing hundreds of bags of sorghum and other cereals.

The Sudanese government was given 30 days by the UN Security Council last week to improve the security situation in Darfur, where a ceasefire has still to be implemented, or face economic sanctions.

It must also disarm the Arab militias backed by Khartoum who have been accused of killing more than 30,000 people and forcing more than one million from their homes.

The World Food Programme reached 800,000 people last month with food aid, and has set a target of 1.2 million in August.

"The air-drop operation will go some way towards achieving this goal but the challenges posed by insecurity, banditry, bad weather and a shortage of resources are enormous," the WFP said.

The Sudanese government is pleading for more time to meet its commitments, while issuing tough statements aimed at deterring Western governments from dispatching military forces to Darfur.

European Union experts, including one Briton, are to set off from Brussels today to determine the logistical and supply needs of Nigerian and Rwandan forces that are to be deployed by the African Union to protect 120 ceasefire monitors on the ground.

The aid pipeline will receive a significant boost next week, when a humanitarian corridor opens through Libya, reflecting the improved relations between Tripoli and the West.

The first shipment of Swiss wheat flour will arrive in Benghazi on 11 August, but it will take three weeks for the aid to reach Sudan through the Sahara desert.

The relief agency Médecins sans Frontières said yesterday the amount of food getting through remained insufficient. More food needs to be provided as only about 50 per cent of requirements are being met.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2004 07:13 am
How can I describe the UN actions. They treat the symptoms but never effect a cure. Supplying aid after thousands are killed and millions are threatened with starvation and disease is of cource noble. But correcting the root cause and effecting the outcome is apparently beyond their ability.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2004 08:49 am
He**, au, when do you just read once, only one time, what the UN is, who are the mebers of the Un and how it works?
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2004 08:58 am
Walter
I know what the UN is and I know how it works and IMO it is not what it was hoped to be or should be. It was not supposed to be an organization that picks up the pieces after they break but one that stops them from breaking. That is what I was always lead to believe. Was I wrong?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 3 Aug, 2004 10:26 am
Tell it its members, especially those in the Security Council: the USA, UK, Russia, China, France ...
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Thok
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2004 12:16 am
'They want to kill us all. They are just devils'

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The two helicopter gunships took off late in the morning, blades slashing the air as they banked over Nayala airport to head off for another day on the killing grounds of Darfur.

The Russian-built Hines began their military mission just after a flight had arrived from Britain loaded with aid for villagers fleeing the murders, mutilations and rapes of the Sudanese region, which is experiencing what the United Nations has described as the "world's worst humanitarian crisis''.

Loaded ammunition trucks were seen heading for the airport just before the gunships took off. Aid workers say they frequently find fragments of weapons launched from the air outside Nayala.

The refugees tell the same story: first comes the attack from the air, and then the Janjaweed militia arrive to mop up. Women are raped in front of their sons, their fathers, their husbands. Families are chained together and burnt alive.

Ibrahim Salim Musa and his family arrived in Nayala from a village outside Ta'asha in the north-east three weeks ago. Their home, and those of their neighbours, was burnt down, he said, by the Janjaweed. About 10 people, including two children, were killed. The rest fled.

Mr Musa, 37, his wife Safeera and their four children aged between three and 12 live in a room in a half-built house with shattered windows. They share with four other families. Mr Musa said of the attack: "We had heard there would be trouble. These men were boasting they were going to get rid of the Zurghas (a pejorative term for blacks)so we were prepared to get out quickly.

"It was very late; the children were asleep. We heard a lot of shouting and then rifle-firing. They were mostly on foot, but there were trucks and some had horses. They were dressed in white; we knew who they were.

"We ran. We were lucky because our house was towards the end of the village. We looked out from the trees; homes were burning. Later we heard who died.''

In another room, an old woman in a black chador sat rocking, locked in her private misery. Another woman shouted out: "They killed her sons, her brother. They want to kill us all. They are devils, just devils.''

Her father hushed her; another family member took her away. He turned: "They attacked us because we are from the Zaghawa [a tribe] and they say we support the rebels. But that is wrong. We are just poor people.''

The helicopters are flown by members of the Sudanese military, which is accused of helping the Arab Janjaweed militia in its war, purportedly against the rebel African Sudan Liberation Army, but one waged indiscriminately against African civilians. The conflict has claimed up to 30,000 lives and driven a million from their homes.


full article
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2004 09:13 am
Sanctions on Sudan have little chance of working

DarfurPARIS The rainy season has come to Darfur in western Sudan. And for a million uprooted Sudanese, the rains mean more agony. They have been forced from their villages by marauding militias that have killed more than 30,000 of their people, raped thousands of women, torched their homes and slaughtered their livestock. Khartoum has been unable or unwilling to disarm the militias. Two million Sudanese need food and medicine..
At the urging of the United States, Britain and the European Union, the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution Friday threatening sanctions, albeit in foggy language. The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Danforth, told reporters that "UN speak" had to be used to appease countries that objected to the word "sanctions.".
The skittish vocabulary speaks volumes, however. Political will for sanctions against Sudan is lukewarm at best. And a lack of political will has persistently been the downfall of sanctions. China and Pakistan abstained from the vote Friday. Egypt, which shares a crucial 1,300-kilometer (800-mile) border with Sudan, has warned against sanctions, saying they "will damage the situation." The Arab League, wary of Western interference in another oil-producing Arab state, agrees with Egypt..
The United States and Britain could push sanctions through anyway. But at what cost?.
Sanctions are often considered a measure short of war, but they require more cohesion than military force does. Cooperation must be virtually unanimous, seamless and unyielding. The political will to persevere must be energetic and full. And the risks and costs to the countries that will pick up the pieces downstream are far greater than usually imagined..
Just as the cold war ended, sanctions were imposed against Iraq with exceptional unanimity. They probably stymied Saddam Hussein's plans for weapons of mass destruction. But over 13 long years, support for them degenerated. Stories of soaring infant mortality rates caused offense worldwide, and business was hungry to start trading in Iraq's rich resources again..
In fact, sanctions tend to restructure societies in the most detrimental ways and their effects linger well after the leaders they sought to punish have been deposed. In Iraq, they encouraged Saddam to reward tribal leaders with bribes and to let vast smuggling networks develop..
Sanctions are usually used against corrupt, authoritarian states in the third world, like Sudan, where societies are weak. When declared, they sound like strong action to publics at home in America or Europe who are indignant over a situation abroad that they will see reported on television for a few months. But sanctions are rarely applied rigorously over time..
Meanwhile, they move business underground, making the black market even more important in countries where government officials already thrive on under-the-table dealings. Sanctions are the lifeblood of shady networks of gun runners and drug traffickers. By creating new needs, they open up new opportunities for a country's most nefarious elements..
In Haiti, sanctions may have reinforced what Senator John Kerry in 1993 called "a partnership made in hell, in cocaine, and in dollars between the Colombian cartels and the Haitian military," solidifying Haiti's role as a conduit for drugs to the United States and hobbling Haitian democracy, which the sanctions were meant to restore..
South Africa's apartheid-era government reacted to the arms embargo by bolstering its own arms industry, which sold weapons to all takers. As well as ties with unsavory characters, however, the arms industry also created employment. Post-apartheid South Africa could ill afford to purge the industry and all of its jobs. It promised not to trade to war zones, but need won out. Many leading South African arms recipients from 1996 to 1998 were countries in conflict, including Colombia, Pakistan and Algeria..
Sanctions against Sudan would not be as sweeping as the ones that were imposed on Iraq; sanctions today are better targeted in order to avoid hurting so many civilians. But that doesn't mean they work any better as a way of putting pressure on a regime. What it does mean is that they require even more cooperation and political will..
Sudan, Africa's largest country, is one-quarter the size of the United States, and its neighborhood is notoriously tough to supervise. Sudan borders nine countries, many even poorer than itself. Sanctions have been tried against many of them, only to fail. If the United States, the United Nations and the European Union rush to sanction Sudan without a unanimous coalition of willing partners - which they don't have now - they will set the scene not only for another sanctions failure, but also for new, even more difficult and expensive problems in the long term..
Tracy McNicoll, a reporter for Newsweek in Paris, recently completed a master's degree in politics at McGill University, Montreal, on the subject of sanctions and peace-building.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2004 12:41 pm
Perhaps the International Criminal Court will file a complaint against the recalcitrant members of the Sudan government. Sudan, of course, can stop any ICC intervention merely by taking legal process itself. However, such an action could be an embarassment for them. As the proponents of the ICC have so often claimed this is one of the "beneficial" elements of this ill - conceived and worse directed treaty and organization.

In fact the ICC was merely a fradulent attempt to constrain the U.S. government and make it subject to the "legal judgements" of our European "allies". The utter inaction of the ICC with respect to Sudan and other like issues proves the cynical intent of its proponents.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2004 12:46 pm
Well, George, back again ... and again back to your favourite pet subject Twisted Evil

:wink:
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2004 04:58 pm
Walter,

It's true - but one of two or three favorites.


Hiwever, the point stands. How do you explain the inaction of the ICC and its member states?
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Chuckster
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2004 06:59 pm
" 2 million Sudanese have failed to maintain existence, and the death toll is rising."
The rest of the civilized world "have failed to maintain" sanity and humane concern for Sudan.
Call in The Mighty UN? After ignoring this situation for over a decade? After the Oil-for-Food-Scandal in Iraq? (now being totally suppressed...big violators include Germany,France,Russia and others.) By the way, let this cast of characters take care of post-war Iraq? Hilarious!
By all means! Call in the UN? All the above, China included ,have shamefully "looked the other way" and this dreadful horror is going on right this second... for oil.
Let John Kerry solve all this?.........My sides!
G'Head! Tell another one.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 7 Aug, 2004 06:46 am
georgeob1 wrote:
How do you explain the inaction of the ICC and its member states?


a) the ICC never does take action itself (courts here don't as well: we have prosecution offices and the police, who works as 'aids' to to the prosecution).

b) the Statute of Rome/Statute of the ICC explains, who can do what

What do you mean by "member states of the ICC"? Are US-citizens members of the courts?
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