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What you want to do with the rest of your life

 
 
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 06:01 pm
Sound advice, LittleK.
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littlek
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 06:08 pm
Thanks Mr Nobody.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2004 07:21 pm
I don't think understanding the premises and currents in anthropology is in any way a loss. Making a living, there I see the problem. I suppose some can forge a personal field out of it in a combo... that actually pays.

This brings up the whole stupid question of money.
I never thought getting it was so important, past your basic rent payment. But it turns out, if you are not in some firm with bennies, You Need To Secure Your Future. Marry money, or what...

I am finally slightly sorry I never considered business as at least an amusing sideline. My cells have no business receptors. Not that I haven't had various ideas from time to time, and watched other people make them happen, don't get me started. I don't mean they stole my ideas, just that I would have an idea say six years before it became popular, very popular. But one needs, in these situations, to have a sense of how to get it going. Which may mean connecting with someone with more aggressive traits in getting something done. For example, how to manufacture various items.

I've always thought it is ideal to be paid for who you are. And tricky, after that, to not get bored with that, not to ruin what you loved in the first place.
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2004 11:39 am
nimh wrote:
my sis did anthropology ...

loved her studies, forsure. but yeh, no way on earth to get a job with that ... in fact, i dont think any of her fellow masters' graduates got a job in line with their studies.

Lemme specify/nuance that a bit more. She specialised in visual anthropology, thesis about a tunisian movie and gender images, coordinated visual anthropology film festival. And that all helped in getting her her current job as producer of (multicultural) documentaries, definitely. But thuth be said, there were a coupla tough years of unemployment and crappy jobs, a year-long government-funded seven-day-a-week retraining program in audiovisual work (camerawork, editing, etc), a few years as a production assistant to a documentary maker on a subsidized low-wage job scheme ("Melkertbaan", Rick will know), and some more years as production assistant on commercial TV programs in between.

So be prepared for the long haul -- or have a back-up plan.


I know nimh - I think that is the "downside" of the study. That's why I 1) have a (saturdays) job which I hopefully, in the worst scenario, can develop to a "real" job (mailman), and 2) I am planning to have Politicology (or how do you spell it) as my minor (although I also understand that may not be the study you can always fall back on when wanting a job). For the rest, I'll just see. I hope to live another 70 years or so, so what to say, I hope I have plenty of time to get a "descent" job :wink: . But I'm well aware of the fact that getting a job with this study can be very tough.
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2004 11:40 am
And of course thank you nimh, and also littlek, for warning me.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2004 01:30 pm
Rick, do keep in mind the possibility that the post office will not be a viable future profession. Already mailmen (I was one for four years in the late fifties) are delivering mostly junk mail, with FedX and e-mail doing most of what they have traditionally done. In addition, anthropology and political science, while fascinating studies, will only serve as ways of making a living IF you can earn a doctorate and then, with greater difficulty, land an academic position and earn TENURE. Both are increasingly difficult challenges. I do not want to discourage anthropology and political science as university or college majors; they will, like literature, history and philosophy, serve to enhance the quality of your (mental) life. But making a living is another matter. I originally wanted to be an artist but decided to be more practical. I chose to go into academia. I was eventually able to earn my advanced degree and land a university job with tenure. Now I am retired and painting as an avocation. It all worked out just right. I loved my academic tasks of teaching and research. But I suspect, given my level of energy, that if I were young again fresh out of graduate school conditions would make it both far less likely that I would find a university job and that I would earn tenure. I'm just not--never was--that aggressive and ambitious. I don't know about you; you may be one of those "young turks" who are ready and willing to devote your life to the writing of grants in order to bring your employer overhead money. I, frankly, would prefer to become a professional gardner.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2004 07:00 pm
Which is, by the way, quite a nice thing to do...
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2004 07:22 pm
Oh Yeah.
Are you going to the art chat room? I think it's pretty soon.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2004 07:43 pm
I want to spend the rest of my life singing and entertaining people....continue on my path as a real live Peter Pan and do it.....a lot.......I hope to stay active until my time comes and then go quickly..........then I hope there's such thing as afterlife community service......
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2004 08:49 pm
I'm confused by the time on the posts. I didn't get home til at least 5:30, having left work at 5, which is when the art chat was to start. When I checked, no one there, which was reasonable, as it was nearing 6.

So, who is on daylite savings time and who isn't? is it about 10:45 pm in NY now? (I bet the post times are Standard..)

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Sorry folks, a little tangent here...
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2004 02:00 am
JLNobody, I'm already a mailman (on Saturdays, that is) and the fact that it's only junkmail, well maybe that accounts to the US, but not to here (yet I'm afraid).

JLNobody wrote:
I do not want to discourage anthropology and political science as university or college majors; they will, like literature, history and philosophy, serve to enhance the quality of your (mental) life. But making a living is another matter.


I know that, and I am prepared to work hard for it. I understand it's a sort of a gamble, but I can not look in the future. We'll just have to see I'm afraid. But I appreciate your concern.
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rufio
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2004 02:44 am
I have an archaeology-related internship. In any case, I would rather just drop out and go flip burgers if I'm not going to be able to study what interests me, so it's moot point anyway.
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2004 05:42 am
I agree with you rufio.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2004 04:22 pm
JLNobody wrote:
I don't know about you; you may be one of those "young turks" who are ready and willing to devote your life to the writing of grants in order to bring your employer overhead money. I, frankly, would prefer to become a professional gardner.


I studied in the history department myself ... to be more precise, Russia and Eastern Europe studies. Absolutely fascinating. And I can still put a little bit of that stuff into my work now, sometimes - and there's always an envisionable (if not exactly sure-fire Rolling Eyes ) chance I'll get a job more directly involved with it in the next few years. See my sister.

One thing that kinda made me link off from the whole thing, though, is the perplexing degree to which the "young Turk" thing does come up. Without talent, of course, you're not going to make it. But without a certain intense, personal ambition - the kind that makes you enjoy post-conference networking opportunities and looking for chances to "score" - you're not either. Call me foolishly naive, but I did have this fleeting "professor in his study" image - one that implied that mere devotion to the subject matter, at least in the ivory tower of university's alpha studies, would still be enough to float up. Not. And not just am I hopeless at the ambition thing - I just dont see it - it actually positively revolts me.

So if I look back now and think about what I would do if I had the chance to start again at 17, I seriously would consider ... "gewoon een vak leren" (thats for Rick ;-)). That is - learning a profession. Not the way your cynical "money-is-more-important-than-you-think,-young-man" uncle meant it - not in order to become an account manager. But a real profession, a skill that makes you able to make something other people can't, a skill that doesn't rely on a way with words, a skill you could put to work no matter where on earth you are.

This, of course, alas, takes me right back into another fairytale world of childhood imagination. Bookbinder/printer. Silversmith. Furniture maker. Photographer. Or, yes, gardener. Unfortunately, most artisan professions (though not gardening, I presume) are threatened, dying or extinct - at least in the "first" world. (Wholly apart from me having two left hands).

Guess I'm going from the rain into the drip here ....
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cybergal
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2004 05:22 pm
Re: What you want to do with the rest of your life
Rick d'Israeli wrote:
This sounds lame - I know - but I am wondering: what do you want to do in the rest of your life, what do you want to achieve? Do you have unfulfilled dreams you want to fulfill? Are you happy with your life now concerning your job or your way of life?

In my case: I'm only 17. I want to study Antropology, I want to do something for the world. I want to learn about other cultures, travel a lot, try to make the world a better place, even if this will mean I can only have a permanent influence on one person. I do not care a lot about money. It's nice of course, but I do not think I can only be happy when I have lots of money. I know that I am lucky in this world.


You can be happy if you have lots of money cause you get to share it with other people by being generous, charity, hiring people and so forth.

The older I get the more I want to chuck the normal idea of success track and do something that serves and helps other people. You're ahead of the game knowing that already.
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rufio
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2004 06:21 pm
But there you go, cybergal, the happiness doesn't come from having money, but from spending it. If he wants to spend money on an anthropology degree, it's just as much to do with money as is giving to charity.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2004 08:11 pm
Don't get me wrong, folks. By all means try to make a living doing what interests you. That's one of the keys to a happy life. I'm just trying to lay some realism on you. As I said earlier I managed to get a Ph.D. and land a university job with tenure and survive to retirement. But the way universities are going now--they're becoming money-making corportions--you will have to live very much like insurance company aspiring executives. If that's what you want, and if you have the abilitly and personality system, go for it. It's not a bad life, compared to most of the alternatives.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2004 08:32 pm
what nimh said.
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