hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2014 11:21 pm
@luismtzzz,
A pandemic could kill hundreds of millions of people in a few month, climate change not so much. Beside, we know very little about the effects of humans on Earths climate, certainly not enough to do anything about it.

http://www.changeispossible.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/serenity.jpg
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2014 07:00 pm
Louie Gohmert suspects ‘undocumented Democrats’ are bringing Ebola across the border

By David Edwards

Thursday, August 14, 2014 13:22 EDT

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/newsmax_gohmert_guns_130918c-615x345.jpg

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) warned this week that refugees — who he called “undocumented Democrats” — fleeing violence in Central America could be bringing diseases like Ebola into the United States.

“This administration doesn’t have the desire, doesn’t have the will to actually stop it,” Gohmert told radio host Tim Constantine on Wednesday. “Because they see people coming across as undocumented Democrats. And so, they want to keep the surge of people coming in illegally, even though it includes a big spike in Other-Than-Mexicans, OTMs as we call them.”

“It includes a spike in people from countries where terrorism abounds,” he continued. “We have people coming in from countries where Ebola is located.”

“And, gee, since they’re coming across our border, and you know, they don’t get checked, and most of them don’t get really thoroughly checked, they could be coming in with disease that we simply do not need.”

The Texas Republican insisted that he was not “fear mongering.”

“It’s silly not to be more careful,” he said.

Gohmert’s remarks begin at about the 11 minute mark in the following clip from TPNN, broadcast Aug 13, 2014.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2014 10:41 pm
@Butrflynet,
Butrflynet wrote:

I think we are going to learn a lot about Ebola that will benefit future outbreaks. Without these doctors being willing to risk their lives and take the experimental serum, we would see no progress in treating or preventing Ebola.


Clearly these two displayed considerable bravery in risking their lives to treat people infected with the disease, but as CNN reported, administering the experimental serum was a "last ditch effort" to save them. When you're on death's door, it's not courage that is required to accept the only chance you have to live.
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Stugotz
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2014 09:55 pm
@maxdancona,
my god but your a sarcastic asshole
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 05:22 pm
@Stugotz,
Ha Ha. Maybe... but at least my grammar is generally pretty good.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 05:34 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuSGzA0IYAA4p2n.jpg:large
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2014 12:35 am
Quote:
A group of young men armed with clubs, claiming that "there's no Ebola" in Liberia, raided a quarantine center for the deadly disease in Monrovia overnight, prompting about 20 patients infected with the deadly virus to flee, a witness said Sunday.

Liberian officials fear Ebola could soon spread through the capital's largest slum after the looters chased off Ebola patients and took items including blood-stained sheets and mattresses.

"They broke down the door and looted the place. The patients have all gone," said Rebecca Wesseh, who witnessed the attack and whose report was confirmed by residents and the head of Health Workers Association of Liberia, George Williams.

Williams, said the unit housed 29 patients who "had all tested positive for Ebola" and were receiving preliminary treatment before being taken to hospital.

"Of the 29 patients, 17 fled last night (after the assault). Nine died four days ago and three others were yesterday taken by force by their relatives" from the center, he said.

http://www.voanews.com/content/armed-men-raid-liberia-ebola-quarantine-center/2416257.html
Quote:
Blood-stained mattresses, bedding and medical equipment were taken from the centre, a senior police officer told BBC News, on condition of anonymity.

"This is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen in my life," he said. "All between the houses you could see people fleeing with items looted from the patients."

The looting spree, he added, could threaten to spread the virus to the whole of the West Point area.

Described as a slum, there are an estimated 50,000 people in the West Point neighbourhood.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28827091
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 01:33 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,

Quote:
A patient who may have been exposed to the Ebola virus is being treated at the Kaiser Permanente South Sacramento Medical Center.

The patient is being kept in an isolated negative pressure room while specialists work to confirm or rule out an Ebola infection. The process may take several days.

According to the Sacramento County Department of Health and Human Services says all appropriate protocols are being followed.

http://fox40.com/2014/08/19/kaiser-south-patient-being-treated-for-possible-ebola-exposure/


Personally I'm more worried about the article I posted previously. That idiotic slum in Liberia is probably about to explode with tens of thousands of cases of Ebola.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2014 12:41 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
http://archive.rushimg.com/home/daily/site_011111/content/01125112.Par.89380.ImageFile.jpg
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2014 12:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
so, you take nonsense serious, or what?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2014 12:51 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

so, you take nonsense serious, or what?
it is a gross exaggeration that resonates because of the kernel of truth. Obama cares not at all about personal liberty, he will advocate for more government power in almost every circumstance, and he has no trouble employing manipulation to get what he wants sometimes even on trivial matters.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2014 12:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
it is a gross exaggeration that resonates because of the kernel of truth. Obama cares not at all about personal liberty, he will advocate for more government power in almost every circumstance, and he has no trouble employing manipulation to get what he wants sometimes even on trivial matters.


Ok, sorry, didn't understand then.
I am 100% with what you wrote here.


sorry for the misunderstandig.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 01:27 pm
Good news, it seems -

http://www.sfgate.com/news/science/article/Monkey-study-Ebola-vaccine-works-needs-booster-5739839.php

Monkey study: Ebola vaccine works, needs booster
By LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer
Updated 11:31 am, Sunday, September 7, 2014

WASHINGTON (AP) — New monkey studies show that one shot of an experimental Ebola vaccine can trigger fast protection, but the effect waned unless the animals got a booster shot made a different way.

Some healthy people are rolling up their sleeves at the National Institutes of Health for the first human safety study of this vaccine in hopes it eventually might be used in the current Ebola outbreak in West Africa.

The NIH on Sunday published some of the key animal research behind those injections. One reason the vaccine was deemed promising was that a single dose protected all four vaccinated monkeys when they were exposed to high levels of Ebola virus just five weeks later, researchers reported in the journal Nature Medicine.

Is five weeks fast enough?

That's in line with other vaccines routinely used today, and fortunately it didn't take multiple doses to trigger that much protection, said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, whose employees led the work.

The bigger challenge is that the protection wanes over time.

Researchers exposed monkeys to Ebola 10 months after vaccination, and this time only half were protected.

Partial protection is better than none, Fauci said. But the goal is long-lasting protection, so it was time to try booster shots. The vaccine is made with a chimpanzee cold virus, used as a delivery system for pieces of an Ebola gene. The researchers tried simply giving another dose as a booster two months later. That didn't work well enough.

So they tried a different approach called "prime-boost." The first dose, to prime the immune system, was that original chimp virus-based Ebola vaccine. But for the booster two months later, they made vaccine a different way. They encased the same Ebola gene pieces inside a poxvirus that's used to make a vaccine against smallpox. (Neither vaccine type can cause Ebola.)

This time, all four monkeys still were protected 10 months after the initial shot.

With the Ebola crisis rapidly worsening, the World Health Organization said Friday that it would try to speed the use of certain experimental products, including two vaccine candidates. The WHO said that in November, it expects early results from first-stage studies to see if the vaccine appears safe and triggers an immune reaction in people. That would help determine whether to test the shots' effectiveness in health care workers in West Africa.

Small animal and human safety studies cannot guarantee that experimental vaccines really work in an outbreak, Fauci said. That's why he emphasizes public health measures such as isolating the sick, quarantine and, especially for health workers, using personal protection equipment.

"Make sure people do what works," he said.

The booster-shot findings illustrate an added complexity to speeding an experimental vaccine into the field. The initial first phase study results would shed light only on that "priming" vaccine made from the chimp cold virus, Fauci said. The poxvirus booster step would be tested later only if scientists decided the initial vaccine was promising enough.

Still, manufacturer GlaxoSmithKline has said it plans to begin manufacturing up to 10,000 doses of the initial NIH-developed vaccine.

Canadian researchers created a similar Ebola vaccine that works in monkeys. Manufacturer NewLink Genetics of Ames, Iowa, said first-stage safety testing in healthy volunteers is set to begin in a few weeks.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2014 12:01 pm
It's wonderful that the two US healthcare workers repatriated to the US have recovered, and it's wonderful that there were no "accidents" with the virus.

My point in starting this thread was not to protest the decision to bring these two back home for care, and, in fact, I acknowledged that the risk involved wasn't great enough to prevent them from returning.

If I was protesting anything it was not only the clearly wrong claim by at least one "scientist" that there was "zero risk," but the general over reliance we have on the claims and assurances of "scientists" and especially those employed by the government.

This is hardly a salvo in the GOP "War on Science." I have an enormous respect for and "belief" in the value of science, and, in general, scientists, but it is foolish to think that scientists are significantly less afflicted with the foibles of human nature that the rest of us.

Shortly before the two healthcare workers were returned to the US, the head of the CDC testified before congress about the number of "accidents" at his facility and the fact that the its culture was not sufficiently safety focused. This is a facility that houses samples of the deadliest diseases known to man, and while it may be overstating the risk, there have been numerous novels and movies made about apocalyptic results of "accidents" at facilities like the CDC.

Our expectations are that in dealing with such dangerous killers, for their own protection if not for the protection of the rest of us, workers at CDC would be the most safety conscious people on the planet, but obviously not. Familiarity breed contempt and complacency, and the latter is definatly a problem if you are dealing with extremely dangerous organisms.

There probably never was a serious threat of the ebola virus finding it's way into the general public, but I'm sure that the publicity around it reduced that threat even more, which is a good thing.

There are reasons why people have reacted differently to the statements made by "scientists," about ebola and global warming, and one of them is a healthy lack of trust in what we are being told. Just as there was no rational reason to panic over ebola, there is no rational reason to panic over global warming.

There is nothing inherent in scientists to engender distrust by the public, but there is in government workers and those funded by the government.

Scientists suffer from unintentional bias, and from the pressures and urges to achieve fame and funding, which puts them in the same place as most of the rest of us. Generally, an adherence to the scientific method make them more objective than the average person, but this, obviously, isn't to say that they are perfectly objective.

Introduce politics and ideology into the mix and scientists can become less objective that the rest of us

If global warming is as dire a condition as some say, it still won't lead to the destruction of the world or the eradication of the human species. It won't even lead to the end of civilization.

There also isn't really anything we can realistically do about it. If everyone in the US and Europe reduced their carbon footprint to zero, the threat would not be eliminated although the economies of these nations would be in ruins.

Whatever the worst of it may be, it will also take a long time for it to materialize fully. People don't respond well to threats that are decades away.

I'm very skeptical of the global warming predictions. Maybe in some important way they are different than all the dire predictions of scientists before that didn't materialize, but I'm not aware of what that important way is. However it is not an extraordinary mistrust of scientists that motivates my skepticism, it is an extreme mistrust of politicians and ideologues, and like it or not global warming is as politicized and ideological a matter as anything we've seen.

I'm open to the possibility that some of the predicted effects will actually transpire, but am not willing to see our economy trashed for a quixotic effort to prevent them. Our time and money will be better spent on how to adapt to a possibly changed world.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2014 12:13 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
It's wonderful that the two US healthcare workers repatriated to the US have recovered


My count is that we have brought the virus here three times so far.


Quote:
Introduce politics and ideology into the mix and scientists can become less objective that the rest of us


Not sure about that but politics and ideology make it almost impossible to run effective quarantines in the USA. When we do get hit with a bad bug we are pretty surely fucked.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2014 12:22 pm
And people still take ths hoax seriously????
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2014 12:28 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
A bug with a historical 90% kill rate, one that is currently mutating extremely quickly....ya, we take that bug seriously.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2014 12:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
A bug with a historical 90% kill rate, one that is currently mutating extremely quickly....ya, we take that bug seriously.


Com'on now, do you really take this that seriously?

Be more critical about this nonsense!!!!! And PLEASE put some logic in it!
In stead of scare mongering!!!

Quote:
Ebola: the covert op of modern medicine

“Tell them the biggest lie, yes. But they have to want the kind of lie you’re telling. It has to give them equal parts fear and fascination.” (Ellis Medavoy, retired propaganda operative)



http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com


anyone believing this hoax is very very mad! Ah well, the whole world is mad, so....
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 14 Sep, 2014 12:49 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Quote:
anyone believing this hoax is very very mad


I see your point....the experts are pretty sure that this bug can only spread in warm places like Africa, and so long as it stays in Africa who cares. Just so long as there are enough healthy africans to do the mining all is fine.
 

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