Is the question "is there a formula you can use to consistently profit at roulette?" NP complete

@Frank Apisa,

look mate, thank you for your input in this discussion. but i think i have an answer to my question now, im not here to prove or disprove anything. ive said what ive said. it would be respectful of you to acknowledge the fact that i have a different point of view to you on on this subject and regardless of whether my viewpoint is right or wrong it is my view based on my unique knowledge and therefore is valid, however ridiculous or fantastical that may be..
please stop trying to troll and ridicule me. there really is no need. you may think you are making yourself look clever but to me you are just showing how ignorant you really are...
You seem to be the type of person who is of the "ill believe it when i see it" clan..
Do you need to see gravity to believe it exists?
Do you need to see an atom to believe that they are the make up of reality?
No and No...
however, if you had no knowledge of gravity or atoms, and were then given explanations of thier concepts and proof of the explanation you would believe right?
Your belief is suspended in this case because i cannot provide you with the proof. i have not said that i will never publish the proof just that right now doing so (especially in an internet forum) is out of the question. That would be like the boss of Coca Cola showing the secret coke recipie to the Boss of pepsi and everybody else in the process. it is just foolish!
im not actually insulted by what you have said either, because i believe that your disbelief will be shared by many, many, many, many, many, MANY people upon this earth.. Which will make it all the sweeter for me when i do publish my findings and prove You, Einstien, and every other disbeliever wrong!!

Mwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!! (My Evil Genius Laugh!!!) lol!!

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@Numberman1,

Numberman1 wrote:

look mate, thank you for your input in this discussion. but i think i have an answer to my question now, im not here to prove or disprove anything. ive said what ive said. it would be respectful of you to acknowledge the fact that i have a different point of view to you on on this subject and regardless of whether my viewpoint is right or wrong it is my view based on my unique knowledge and therefore is valid, however ridiculous or fantastical that may be..
please stop trying to troll and ridicule me. there really is no need. you may think you are making yourself look clever but to me you are just showing how ignorant you really are...
You seem to be the type of person who is of the "ill believe it when i see it" clan..
Do you need to see gravity to believe it exists?
Do you need to see an atom to believe that they are the make up of reality?
No and No...
however, if you had no knowledge of gravity or atoms, and were then given explanations of thier concepts and proof of the explanation you would believe right?
Your belief is suspended in this case because i cannot provide you with the proof. i have not said that i will never publish the proof just that right now doing so (especially in an internet forum) is out of the question. That would be like the boss of Coca Cola showing the secret coke recipie to the Boss of pepsi and everybody else in the process. it is just foolish!
im not actually insulted by what you have said either, because i believe that your disbelief will be shared by many, many, many, many, many, MANY people upon this earth.. Which will make it all the sweeter for me when i do publish my findings and prove You, Einstien, and every other disbeliever wrong!!

Mwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!! (My Evil Genius Laugh!!!) lol!!

That comment would have been much better if you had stopped after the first period.

As presented, you sound like a crybaby.

I was kidding with you a bit...and of course, I am a bit skeptical. If you are looking for non-skeptical people considering the nature and scope of your assertions...I would suggest giving the speech in a graveyard after it closes for the night.

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@Frank Apisa,

Cry Baby??!!! Because i asked you to stop ridiculing my claims? because i give clear consise arguements as to why you are unable to believe? Because i couldnt really give a monkeys if you believe what i say or not? because i politely ask that you refrain from mocking something i take seriously? because i ask you to suspend disbelief and hypothesise?

I AM A CRY BABY BECAUSE I ASKED YOU TO STOP TRYING TO MOCK SOMETHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND??????!!! HUH!!!???

IM NOT CRYING OVER WHAT YOU SAY, IM ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET YOU TO STOP MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A FOOL BUT YOU CONTINUE TO WANT TO GET THE LAST WORD IN AND TRY TO MAKE ME LOOK A MUG..
OK..
YOU WIN THEN.
IM DUMB!
EVERYTHING IVE SAID SOUNDS LIKE BULLSHIT!
I AM JUST AN IMBECILE WHO KNOWS NOTHING!
FRANK APISA KNOWS ALL AND SHOULD NEVER BE CHALLENGED!!

I SHALL NOW CRAWL BACK INTO MY LOWLY CAVE AND CONTINUE CHEWING ON THE ROCKS THAT I FIND THERE!!
BYE FRANK..

PS. if it turns out that i am true, honest and right in my claims, (which i blatantly am) you will owe me an apology... You should start drafting it now because i expect it to be long and profuse!! Maybe you should go find those non skeptical people you suggested i go see and practice yourself.. And maybe try to learn some humility while your there...
Peace, Blessings and Love.
Good Day to you kind Sir! Smile

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@Numberman1,

Numberman1 wrote:

Cry Baby??!!! Because i asked you to stop ridiculing my claims? because i give clear consise arguements as to why you are unable to believe? Because i couldnt really give a monkeys if you believe what i say or not? because i politely ask that you refrain from mocking something i take seriously? because i ask you to suspend disbelief and hypothesise?

I AM A CRY BABY BECAUSE I ASKED YOU TO STOP TRYING TO MOCK SOMETHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND??????!!! HUH!!!???

IM NOT CRYING OVER WHAT YOU SAY, IM ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET YOU TO STOP MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A FOOL BUT YOU CONTINUE TO WANT TO GET THE LAST WORD IN AND TRY TO MAKE ME LOOK A MUG..
OK..
YOU WIN THEN.
IM DUMB!
EVERYTHING IVE SAID SOUNDS LIKE BULLSHIT!
I AM JUST AN IMBECILE WHO KNOWS NOTHING!
FRANK APISA KNOWS ALL AND SHOULD NEVER BE CHALLENGED!!

I SHALL NOW CRAWL BACK INTO MY LOWLY CAVE AND CONTINUE CHEWING ON THE ROCKS THAT I FIND THERE!!
BYE FRANK..

PS. if it turns out that i am true, honest and right in my claims, (which i blatantly am) you will owe me an apology... You should start drafting it now because i expect it to be long and profuse!! Maybe you should go find those non skeptical people you suggested i go see and practice yourself.. And maybe try to learn some humility while your there...
Peace, Blessings and Love.
Good Day to you kind Sir!

You would have done better to end your tirade after the first period in your previous post, N.

Take my word for it.

You would have done much better.

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@Frank Apisa,

Thanks for your advice.

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@Numberman1,

Numberman1 wrote:

AGAIN, THANK YOU SOO MUCH FOR YOUR INPUT, I WILL CREDIT YOU WITH THE ANSWER OF IT BEING A P QUESTION.

HOWEVER YOU STILL HAVENT ADDRESSED MY RESPONSES TO YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENTS.

He's answered your questions in detail several times, you just don't like the answer. A roulette wheel is a very simple problem. The probability of winning is very simple to calculate. The probability of winning after X spins for any given strategy is also very simple to calculate and there are javascript calculators online that will do it for you. You can compute the probability of winning every single amount and losing every single amount in less than 60 seconds. If you spin 100 times, a Javascript calculator will tell you the chance of winning 100 times, 99 times, 98 times, etc. For every strategy, the probability of losing money is higher than the probability of winning. Roulette is so simple because each spin is independent, unlike blackjack where the probability on each hand is dependent on the cards already dealt. (There is a strategy in blackjack where if you can count the cards played, you can consistently win.) Feel free to share you strategy with us and we will show you why it doesn't work. I can assure you that if you have come up with something no one who matters will see this thread and stop you but if you are in error, maybe we can stop you before you lose a lot of money.

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@Numberman1,

Numberman1 wrote:

Cry Baby??!!! Because i asked you to stop ridiculing my claims? because i give clear consise arguements as to why you are unable to believe? Because i couldnt really give a monkeys if you believe what i say or not? because i politely ask that you refrain from mocking something i take seriously? because i ask you to suspend disbelief and hypothesise?

I AM A CRY BABY BECAUSE I ASKED YOU TO STOP TRYING TO MOCK SOMETHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND??????!!! HUH!!!???

IM NOT CRYING OVER WHAT YOU SAY, IM ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET YOU TO STOP MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A FOOL BUT YOU CONTINUE TO WANT TO GET THE LAST WORD IN AND TRY TO MAKE ME LOOK A MUG..

OK..
YOU WIN THEN.
IM DUMB!
EVERYTHING IVE SAID SOUNDS LIKE BULLSHIT!
I AM JUST AN IMBECILE WHO KNOWS NOTHING!
FRANK APISA KNOWS ALL AND SHOULD NEVER BE CHALLENGED!!

I SHALL NOW CRAWL BACK INTO MY LOWLY CAVE AND CONTINUE CHEWING ON THE ROCKS THAT I FIND THERE!!
BYE FRANK..

PS. if it turns out that i am true, honest and right in my claims, (which i blatantly am) you will owe me an apology... You should start drafting it now
because i expect it to be long and profuse!! Maybe you should go find those non skeptical people you suggested i go see and practice yourself.. And maybe try to learn some humility while your there...
Peace, Blessings and Love.
Good Day to you kind Sir!

Aw crap dude, this was interesting for awhile, but you did start to whine a little. It's ok, we all get rattled from time to time, but the first rule of survival is never show fear. Don't let differing opinions get under your skin, it's good to get different opinions, we all stretch, we learn, and even if you're belief isn't swayed, it's good to understand how others came to their viewpoint.

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@engineer,

actually he didnt. YES, he said it was a P question. BUT my further question was about the complexity of making a profit based on a strategy that MUST change!! and i clearly stated the reasons why i FELT IT MUST. AND CLEARLY ASKED IF HE COULD GO THROUGH WHAT I HAD PROPOSED AS FACTS AND CORRECT ME IF I WAS WRONG. HE BLATANTLY DIDNT AND JUMPED STRAIGHT ONTO MY DISMISSAL OF HIS OPINION BECAUSE HE FELT INSULTED THAT I WOULDNT JUST TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT.
NONE OF YOU HAVE TAKEN MY WORD FOR WHAT I SAY BUT YOU HEVENT SEEN ME TRY TO SHOOT ANYONES POINT DOWN OR BELITTLE THEM, JUST ASKED FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION.
I EVEN SAID PLEASE AND THANK YOU AFTER I RECIEVED EVERY ANSWER BECAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY SINCERELY GRATEFUL FOR THE INSIGHTS...
AS I SAID AT THE START OF THIS OPINION IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE IT IS BIASED TOWARDS THE SELF. FACT HOWEVER CANNOT BE DISPUTED..
i play roulette all day every day and with my knowledge make a very good living doing so. FACT!

if i played one single strategy then yes the odds of a definate win are easy to calculate. but that is ONLY if you play that strategy consistanly, such as betting on black OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN... WHICH IS JUST DUMB. and although may be calcuable on paper, THAT CALCULATION bears no resemblence to the UNKNOWN reality you may face, IT IS PURELY SPECULATIVE. That reality is unknown because regardless of what your calculation may show on paper, in true reality you are dealing with RANDOM INPUT which by the very definition of "Random" means it must be unknown....

As shown in MAXDANCONA's earlier example an even money bet will return 1 to 1. now if you lose once and then again youve lost 2 chips. if make that same bet again and you win at the next round you only recoup 1 chip that you have lost.. You have neither factored for possible loss because you cant know what that loss will be if you are constantly changing the way and amount you bet....

let me give you an example... Place a bet of 1 on Red @ 1/1 return odds. 48.65% probability that you win. we are only going to play 10 spins. So you do the math and work out that over 10 spins made the exact same way your probability of winning is "X". But then the randomness associated with the roulette wheel delivers 8 straight blacks.... YOU NOW HAVE 8 STRAIGHT LOSSES, AND THE CALCULATION YOU MADE TO WORK OUT THE PROBABILITY OF WINNING IS PROVED WRONG, because the REALITY is that you have worked out what is "PROBABLE" AND THE TRUE REALITY CANNOT BE CALCULATED BEFORE THE EVENT HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON A RANDOM UNKOWN INPUT!

IF SOMETHING IS PROBABLE IT CANNOT BE CERTAIN.
PROBABLE = WHAT COULD BE
CERTAIN = WHAT IS
CERTAINTY IS ABOUT PROVABLITY, PROOF MUST ALWAYS RELY ON FACT OTHERWISE IT IS CALLED HYPOTHOSIS. I Asked wheter it was possible to profit with absolute certainty. TELLING ME YOU CAN CALCULATE THE POSSIBILITY/PROBABILITY OF SOMETHING HAPPENING DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT THING ACTUALLY WILL COME TO PASS, BECAUSE YOU MAY GET 8 BLACKS....

So is it possible to calculate with CERTAINTY that you are going to win?
Only if there is one constant (THE BET STRATEGY) within the equation, otherwise, with math and probability at its current understanding, NO.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME IF ANY OF MY REASONING ABOVE IS WRONG AND ILL JUST STFU AND GO AWAY. IF WHAT I SAY IS RIGHT THOUGH, MY QUESTION STILL HASNT BEEN ANSWERED.
I FEEL AS IF IM BANGING MY HEAD ON A BRICK WALL TRYING TO LAY OUT MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE PROBLEM AS BEST I CAN FOR OTHERS TO UNDERSTAND, WHEN I DONT QUITE FULLY UNDERSTAND IT MYSELF...

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@glitterbag,

FAIR ENOUGH MATE. POINT TAKEN.
BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, I DIDNT ASK FOR OPINION I ASKED FOR FACT AND MADE THAT QUITE CLEAR AT THE START OF THE DISCUSSION IN ORDER TO AVOID ALL THAT SKEPTISCM, RIDICULE, AND GENERAL LOSS OF INTEREST THAT I KNEW IN ADVANCE WOULD COME IF I OPENED UP THE SUBJECT FULLY.
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO FEAR OF BEING RIDUCULED BY THE PIXELS ON MY MAC SCREEN. I DO HOWEVER HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE INVOLVING THEMSELVES IN A CONVERSATION WITH NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY. AND ALSO THINKING THEY CAN HIGHJACK MY DISCUSSION INTO ONE OF OPINION RATHER THAN OBJECTIVITY. WHAT VALUE DID FRANK ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION OTHER THAN SMART ARSE HUMOR AND AND THE ATTEMPTED BELITTLEMENT OF MYSELF? I CAME HERE FOR HELP NOT TO BE PUNKED.

SO YES, I MAY HAVE LET MY FRUSTRATION SEEP INTO MY RESPONSES, BUT NOT WITHOUT GOOD REASON.

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@engineer,

Quote:

Feel free to share you strategy with us and we will show you why it doesn't work. I can assure you that if you have come up with something no one who matters will see this thread and stop you but if you are in error, maybe we can stop you before you lose a lot of money.

YOU WILL SEE IT.
YOU MATTER.
BECAUSE I DONT KNOW YOU.
I SHOW YOU ON HERE, YOU SEE THAT IM RIGHT AND THEN I LOSE ALL CLAIM TO THE WORK BECAUSE YOU COULD THEN TAKE MY WORK AND PUBLISH IT FIRST CLAIMING IT AS YOUR OWN.
AND WHEN I SAY YOU, I MEAN YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ACCESS TO THIS SITE.. MEANING, THE MAJORITY OF HUMANITY.

IM CLAIMING TO HAVE DONE SOMETHING INCREDIBLY SMART, HOW DUMB WOULD I HAVE TO BE TO LET SOMEONE ELSE TAKE THE CREDIT BECAUSE I FELT I HAD SOMETHING TO PROVE TO THEM PERSONALLY...??

I DONT NEED YOU TO VERIFY MY WORK. NOR TELL ME WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. I KNOW FOR A 100% GUARANTEED MONEY BACK FACT THAT MY SYSTEM/FORMULA WORKS. IVE PROGRAMMED IT INTO A ROULETTE SIMULATION SOFTWARE AND HAVE RUN COUNTLESS AMOUNTS OF SPINS FROM NUMEROUS DIFFERENT SOURCES TO TEST IT. IT HAS NEVER FAILED... AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL ME ABOUT MY OWN WORK BECAUSE I CREATED IT FROM NOTHING. THIS PIECE OF WORK IS MY MONA LISA. EXCEPT, IM THE ONE WITH THE SMILE.. Wink

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@Numberman1,

Numberman1 wrote:

SO YES, I MAY HAVE LET MY FRUSTRATION SEEP INTO MY RESPONSES, BUT NOT WITHOUT GOOD REASON.

Your responses to several really good answers show no reason (GOOD OR BAD) at all. There, I even hit the caps lock key, just for you.

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@Numberman1,

Numberman1 wrote:

FAIR ENOUGH MATE. POINT TAKEN.
BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, I DIDNT ASK FOR OPINION I ASKED FOR FACT AND MADE THAT QUITE CLEAR AT THE START OF THE DISCUSSION IN ORDER TO AVOID ALL THAT SKEPTISCM, RIDICULE, AND GENERAL LOSS OF INTEREST THAT I KNEW IN ADVANCE WOULD COME IF I OPENED UP THE SUBJECT FULLY.

You do not get to come to a small Internet forum and set the rules...or to make new rules. You come here; ask your question or make your assertion...and then the regular community of the site gives their response. Sometimes it is fact...sometimes it is opinion.

Quote:

i play roulette all day every day and with my knowledge make a very good living doing so. FACT!

My opinion: Utter nonsense and blather.

Also my opinion: You are a dreamer. No casino...on-line or non-cyber will ever allow you to do that, even if you could and I seriously doubt you can...and the correction action is simply too easy implement. But dreaming can be fun...so have fun with it.

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MUST BE MY SHOUT

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@Numberman1,

I feel I was pretty patient with you. I did answer you questions.

I started by explaining the basic mathematical principles involved and I explained why any varying strategy wouldn't change the underlying chance of success. But I didn't stop there... I even worked out an actual example, showing you that even changing strategy and demonstrating that being a straightforward calculation it still is a 'P' problem.

And I offered to go through the same mathematical calculation with any other strategy you wanted to show you how it worked.

I thought this was all pretty nice of me. As someone who understands mathematics very well (I have a physics degree) and someone who makes some money as an amateur poker player, I am a pretty good person to help you understand.

Mathematics is "absolute". There are right and wrong answers. I don't want to belittle you, but I do want to point out that what you say is mathematically incorrect. Telling you that you are right.. when you are actually mathematically wrong isn't doing you any favors.

Gambling is math. The casinos understand this, which is why they no how to make money playing roulette. In fact the casinos always make money playing roulette (but of course, unlike you and I, they get to make the rules that ensure they always come out ahead).

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@Numberman1,

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if i played one single strategy then yes the odds of a definate win are easy to calculate. but that is ONLY if you play that strategy consistanly, such as betting on black OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN... WHICH IS JUST DUMB. and although may be calcuable on paper, THAT CALCULATION bears no resemblence to the UNKNOWN reality you may face, IT IS PURELY SPECULATIVE. That reality is unknown because regardless of what your calculation may show on paper, in true reality you are dealing with RANDOM INPUT which by the very definition of "Random" means it must be unknown....

Sorry, this just isn't true. The events at a roulette table are not connected. Since they are completely independent, changing strategy mid stream doesn't make the calculations any harder, nor is there any speculation involved. For any given strategy or group of strategies, you can compute exactly the probability of every outcome. You don't need to believe us, but we are just trying to save you grief. Best of luck.

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@engineer,

Thank you. But the point IS that CALCULATING A "PROBABILITY" DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT WHAT IS "EXPECTED AS "PROBABLE" WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN REALITY. Calculating a probability gives an indication of what is "more or less" going to happen right?
There is no ASSURANCE or CERTAINTY with probability, just likelihood of outcome..
The only exception to that is if there is a 0% or 100% probability which means it DEFINATELY WONT OR WILL HAPPEN.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT?

Because if it is, then the QUESTION

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Of course there's a formula you can use to consistently profit at roulette.

Be the bank.

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@engineer,

Thank you. i agree that changing the strategy mid stream does not make the calculations any harder. But you have to be in the stream in order to make those calculations because the stream is ever changing.
The nature of my question requires it to be answered before you have entered the stream.
In response to what you said regarding "probability".
CALCULATING A "PROBABILITY" DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT WHAT IS "EXPECTED" AS "PROBABLE" WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN REALITY. Calculating a probability gives an indication of what is "more or less" going to happen right?
There is no ASSURANCE or CERTAINTY with probability, just likelihood of outcome..
The only exception to that is if there is a 0% or 100% probability which means it DEFINATELY WONT OR WILL HAPPEN. But this will never be the case in the game of roulette. Even if you had a string of 36 straight reds, the probability of it being black the next time would be extremely high, but there would still be an extremely small probability that it comes out red again.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT?

Because if it is, then the QUESTION of whether or not you can consistantly profit has an answer that is impossible to know because you CAN NOT PROVE WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY THAT YOU WILL, YOU CAN ONLY WORK OUT THE "PROBABILITY" THAT YOU WILL, and vice-versa.

Therefore the question in inverted commas within my actual qeustion already has its answer.

You can NOT know for CERTAIN that there is or isnt a formula to consistently profit at roulette..

Does that now make the QUESTION
"is there a formula you can use to consistantly profit at roulette?"
A QUESTION which can now be classified as NP?

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@Numberman1,

Numberman1 wrote:

FAIR ENOUGH MATE. POINT TAKEN.
BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, I DIDNT ASK FOR OPINION I ASKED FOR FACT AND MADE THAT QUITE CLEAR AT THE START OF THE DISCUSSION IN ORDER TO AVOID ALL THAT SKEPTISCM, RIDICULE, AND GENERAL LOSS OF INTEREST THAT I KNEW IN ADVANCE WOULD COME IF I OPENED UP THE SUBJECT FULLY.
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO FEAR OF BEING RIDUCULED BY THE PIXELS ON MY MAC SCREEN. I DO HOWEVER HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE INVOLVING THEMSELVES IN A CONVERSATION WITH NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY. AND ALSO THINKING THEY CAN HIGHJACK MY DISCUSSION INTO ONE OF OPINION RATHER THAN OBJECTIVITY. WHAT VALUE DID FRANK ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION OTHER THAN SMART ARSE HUMOR AND AND THE ATTEMPTED BELITTLEMENT OF

MYSELF? I CAME HERE FOR HELP NOT TO BE PUNKED.

SO YES, I MAY HAVE LET MY FRUSTRATION SEEP INTO MY RESPONSES, BUT NOT WITHOUT GOOD REASON.

Well now I'm puzzled, thank you (I think) for acknowledging I may possibly have a legitimate point. But then you send 10 lines in all caps. Were you continuing to shout because it was an opportunity to tell everybody else you're still angry, or was that directed at me because I had the audacity to suggest your tactics could use a little smoothing?

Like I said before, I can't advice anyone on gambling. I seldom gamble, casinos make me sad, all the chirping slot machines, the really old people in wheel chairs and oxygen tanks sitting for hours in front of a contraption. Spending large amounts of money in a casino is like lending money to family, you should never risk an amount of cash you will probably never see again.

One other thing, I'm fairly sure all the members recognize slang such as: Punked, Foody, Selfie, Twerk but rarely use then because there's just so many more other words you can use to describe a situation without sounding like an adolescent.

I'm guessing you will think I'm posting in anger, but I'm not, that's the concerned me expressing an opinion, the angry me is never that nice. I hate to repeat myself, but I don't find gambling all that compelling so I'm not offering an opinion on the mathematical approach, and now I'm really bored. It was fun for awhile, so you boys play nice now.

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@Numberman1,

Numberman1 wrote:

Thank you. i agree that changing the strategy mid stream does not make the calculations any harder. But you have to be in the stream in order to make those calculations because the stream is ever changing.
The nature of my question requires it to be answered before you have entered the stream.
In response to what you said regarding "probability".
CALCULATING A "PROBABILITY" DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT WHAT IS "EXPECTED" AS "PROBABLE" WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN REALITY. Calculating a probability gives an indication of what is "more or less" going to happen right?
There is no ASSURANCE or CERTAINTY with probability, just likelihood of outcome..
The only exception to that is if there is a 0% or 100% probability which means it DEFINATELY WONT OR WILL HAPPEN. But this will never be the case in the game of roulette. Even if you had a string of 36 straight reds, the probability of it being black the next time would be extremely high, but there would still be an extremely small probability that it comes out red again.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT?

That is absolutely INCORRECT.

The changes of it coming out red...IS EXACTLY THE SAME as the chances of it coming out black. The notion that if you had a string of 36 straight reds it would impact the probability of red or black coming up on the next spin...

...is an absurdity.

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