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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 02:40 pm
You are in Vegas and sit at a black jack table. The max bet is $500 a hand. You are sitting at the last seat by the dealer and the table is full. Your bet is the max. You are dealt 2 aces. The cards for the other players are coming out small. It is your turn and you want to split the hand which means putting out another $500. The dealer says no, you can't. You ask why not? The pit boss is called over and also says NO.

What would your response be? This did happen and I am just curious what others think.
 
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 02:54 pm
@trying2learn,
I'd guess that it's because you already have the max bet out for the hand. They're counting your split as one hand even though you have two cards to play separately.
trying2learn
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 03:02 pm
@JPB,
Yes the max. for the one hand was dealt. Now you want to split, so it is 2 hands. I would like to know what you or others would say or do if anything.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 03:05 pm
@JPB,
I'd probably do what you did --- try to double up and then ask for a 2nd opinion. At least you should be able to split with $250 on each card. I'd ask for that if they wouldn't let me double up. That's better than leaving the full $500 on two aces.
trying2learn
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 03:22 pm
@JPB,
The max was bet on the 1 hand. You can't split it with the $250. When the pit boss said no, what would you do?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 03:28 pm
@trying2learn,
When the pit boss says "NO"...what you do is to shut up and finish the hand the way it was dealt.

It is like when the judge says, "You are fined $50." What you do is to pay the $50!
trying2learn
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 03:32 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Why would you shut up because the pit boss says no? You are dealt 2 aces and want to split the hand. Who wouldn't want to split that hand!
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 03:35 pm
@trying2learn,
trying2learn wrote:

Why would you shut up because the pit boss says no? You are dealt 2 aces and want to split the hand. Who wouldn't want to split that hand!


You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Casinos are there to be fair, or to provide good customer service. They aren't. They are there to take your money, and unless you want to be unceremoniously kicked out on your ass, it's best not to argue with the pit boss.

I would also recommend learning the house rules for games before betting - lots of casinos have odd little rules here and there, that are specifically designed for their advantage.

Cycloptichorn
trying2learn
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 03:41 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
No casinos are not there to be fair. There were no odd little rules in this case. I checked. No one argued with the pit boss. The table was at a stand still though. Sooo I still want to know what you would do if the pit boss said NO?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 03:49 pm
@trying2learn,
unless you want to be unceremoniously kicked out on your ass, it's best not to argue with the pit boss.

I thought that was easy enough to understand...

he issued his ruling. stay and play or take your money to a different casino.
trying2learn
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 03:54 pm
@Rockhead,
Wow again no one argued with the pit boss. Can you answer the question?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 03:57 pm
@trying2learn,
is this a trick question?

cuz I don't have a trick answer...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 04:00 pm
@trying2learn,
trying2learn wrote:

No casinos are not there to be fair. There were no odd little rules in this case. I checked. No one argued with the pit boss. The table was at a stand still though. Sooo I still want to know what you would do if the pit boss said NO?


I just told ya - I would say 'sorry, sir' and move on with my life. If it pissed me off enough, I'd head to a different casino to gamble, and specifically ask them before playing.

Cycloptichorn
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 04:01 pm
@trying2learn,
Quote:
Can you answer the question?


The question HAS been answered. Several times!

Quote:
Wow again no one argued with the pit boss.


You do NOT argue with the pit boss. He is the final say in a casino.

QUESTION: Did you argue...or did the person you observed argue with the pit boss?

What happened?
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 04:05 pm
I wouldn't be too happy about it, but if I'd put the table max out there then I'd already be having an exceptionally good evening and would play the hand and hope to make $500.
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trying2learn
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 04:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
No this is not a trick question. It really happened. There was no argument. I only wanted to know what others would do if the pit boss said no.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 04:36 pm
TTL, have you ever had a client ask you to explain a tax law? I don't mean explain the meaning, but why they made such a rule in the first place. I bet you have, and I bet you finally gave up on explanations.

Same thing. Could be there is a rule with no logic behind it.
trying2learn
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 04:58 pm
@roger,
I don't have clients so no I don't have to answer that question. It wasn't me who was at the table. I happened to be there and just watched.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 05:05 pm
Change the dollar amount of the table limit to $5, $10, or $20 and many people will probably remember being able to double down or do splits on hands with maximum bets.

Which casino and state was it in? You can probably look on their website to read all the fine print of their various rules.

As far as what I would have done, I'd consider the odds of having a good outcome versus surrendering the hand to get back half of the bet, if they had a surrender policy.
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 05:15 pm
@Butrflynet,
Never mind the example about the $5 to $20 table limits. I was thinking of the minimum limits not the maximum limits.
 

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