Elliot Rodger

That seems pretty heartfelt. Is something missing?

Still waiting for you to name me ONE legal right that men have that women don't Setanta!

Douchebag...

Women have the right not to have some poor me loser claim he's speaking up for their gender. Now that is a right I envy.

I'm still waiting for a mature, adult conversation from you. Men have the right to be paid one dollar for every 80 cents that women are paid. That, apparenly, has not sunk in with you yet.

Let's forget legal. Here's your privileges that we don't have.





The Male Privilege Checklist (a bit more than 5)

1. My odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in my favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed.

2. I can be confident that my co-workers won’t think I got my job because of my sex – even though that might be true. (More).

3. If I am never promoted, it’s not because of my sex.

4. If I fail in my job or career, I can feel sure this won’t be seen as a black mark against my entire sex’s capabilities.

5. I am far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than my female co-workers are. (More).

6. If I do the same task as a woman, and if the measurement is at all subjective, chances are people will think I did a better job.

7. If I’m a teen or adult, and if I can stay out of prison, my odds of being raped are relatively low. (More).

8. On average, I am taught to fear walking alone after dark in average public spaces much less than my female counterparts are.

9. If I choose not to have children, my masculinity will not be called into question.

10. If I have children but do not provide primary care for them, my masculinity will not be called into question.

11. If I have children and provide primary care for them, I’ll be praised for extraordinary parenting if I’m even marginally competent. (More).

12. If I have children and a career, no one will think I’m selfish for not staying at home.

13. If I seek political office, my relationship with my children, or who I hire to take care of them, will probably not be scrutinized by the press.

14. My elected representatives are mostly people of my own sex. The more prestigious and powerful the elected position, the more this is true.

15. When I ask to see “the person in charge,” odds are I will face a person of my own sex. The higher-up in the organization the person is, the surer I can be.

16. As a child, chances are I was encouraged to be more active and outgoing than my sisters. (More).

17. As a child, I could choose from an almost infinite variety of children’s media featuring positive, active, non-stereotyped heroes of my own sex. I never had to look for it; male protagonists were (and are) the default.

18. As a child, chances are I got more teacher attention than girls who raised their hands just as often. (More).

19. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones.

20. I can turn on the television or glance at the front page of the newspaper and see people of my own sex widely represented.

21. If I’m careless with my financial affairs it won’t be attributed to my sex.

22. If I’m careless with my driving it won’t be attributed to my sex.

23. I can speak in public to a large group without putting my sex on trial.

24. Even if I sleep with a lot of women, there is no chance that I will be seriously labeled a “slut,” nor is there any male counterpart to “slut-bashing.” (More).

25. I do not have to worry about the message my wardrobe sends about my sexual availability. (More).

26. My clothing is typically less expensive and better-constructed than women’s clothing for the same social status. While I have fewer options, my clothes will probably fit better than a woman’s without tailoring. (More).

27. The grooming regimen expected of me is relatively cheap and consumes little time. (More).

28. If I buy a new car, chances are I’ll be offered a better price than a woman buying the same car. (More).

29. If I’m not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.

30. I can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. I can be aggressive with no fear of being called a bitch.

31. I can ask for legal protection from violence that happens mostly to men without being seen as a selfish special interest, since that kind of violence is called “crime” and is a general social concern. (Violence that happens mostly to women is usually called “domestic violence” or “acquaintance rape,” and is seen as a special interest issue.)

32. I can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include my sex. “All men are created equal,” mailman, chairman, freshman, he.

33. My ability to make important decisions and my capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.

34. I will never be expected to change my name upon marriage or questioned if I don’t change my name.

35. The decision to hire me will not be based on assumptions about whether or not I might choose to have a family sometime soon.

36. Every major religion in the world is led primarily by people of my own sex. Even God, in most major religions, is pictured as male.

37. Most major religions argue that I should be the head of my household, while my wife and children should be subservient to me.

38. If I have a wife or live-in girlfriend, chances are we’ll divide up household chores so that she does most of the labor, and in particular the most repetitive and unrewarding tasks. (More).

39. If I have children with my girlfriend or wife, I can expect her to do most of the basic childcare such as changing diapers and feeding.

40. If I have children with my wife or girlfriend, and it turns out that one of us needs to make career sacrifices to raise the kids, chances are we’ll both assume the career sacrificed should be hers.

41. Assuming I am heterosexual, magazines, billboards, television, movies, pornography, and virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to me sexually. Such images of men exist, but are rarer.

42. In general, I am under much less pressure to be thin than my female counterparts are. (More). If I am fat, I probably suffer fewer social and economic consequences for being fat than fat women do. (More).

43. If I am heterosexual, it’s incredibly unlikely that I’ll ever be beaten up by a spouse or lover. (More).

44. Complete strangers generally do not walk up to me on the street and tell me to “smile.” (More: 1 2).

45. Sexual harassment on the street virtually never happens to me. I do not need to plot my movements through public space in order to avoid being sexually harassed, or to mitigate sexual harassment. (More.)

45. On average, I am not interrupted by women as often as women are interrupted by men. (More.)

46. I have the privilege of being unaware of my male privilege.



Men have the "right" to be in the military front, women don't have it.

That's an absolute lie.

So irritated that now I have to go through each of the bullshit items on this long list of feminist bullshit. It's going to take awhile to respond to 46 giant steaming piles of bullshit.

But I will.

Found Soul, are you sure you want to stand by this bullshit?

Because I'm going to tear it to shreds. Just warning you.

No it's not, and you saying so doesn't make it so. All you've done is sneer at the source, without providing any source of your own. Wikipedia cites the U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the United States Congress Joint Economic Committee. All you have offered is vicious personal attacks and adolescent hysteria at being contradicted.

Not to mention that even if this were true (which it is NOT) this is not a legal right Setanta, you moron.

In fact, in the United States there is a law that was signed in 1963 by JFK that SPECIFICALLY prohibits wage discrimination based on gender. You can read about this law right here:

http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/history/35th/thelaw/epa.html

http://finduslaw.com/equal-pay-act-1963-epa-29-us-code-chapter-8-206d

http://web.archive.org/web/20120626131413/http://archive.eeoc.gov/epa/anniversary/epa-40.html


So again Setanta, even if men were being paid more for equal work (which they are NOT), that would not be a legal right that they are entitled to. What it would be is discrimination on the employer's part. A discrimination that would be punishable under U.S. law. You know, the U.S. law that PROTECTS women from wage discrimination.

So again Setanta, you're a ******* loser.

Read my above post yet???

Not to mention, you're like WAY older than me and you've never heard of the equal pay act???

I wasn't even alive then and I've heard of it!

So what we've established (besides that you're a douchebag/idiot, Setanta) is that not only do men NOT have a "legal right" to make more money than women do, but conversely women have the SAME EXACT opportunities to make as much money as men do!

But the thing is that women CHOOSE (of their own free will) to work less hours than men do, and to go into lower paying career fields.

How many women do you know of that study to become an engineer for example?

But feminists sure love to spin this into women being payed less. But they only seem to bitch about there not being as many women in high prestige jobs such as CEOs. They never bitch about there being less female coal miners or oil workers then males. Because feminists don't want to do these hard labor jobs! Even though they're more than welcome to! Even though these jobs pay well!

And let's think about it like this:

So in our capitalist society, if a company can save 23 cents on the dollar by hiring more women, it's still somehow more important to have a lot penis around. Penises being around is THAT important.

In our society which has deemed it AGAINST THE LAW to discriminate based on gender, all these companies are willing to knowingly throw caution to wind just to have more penises around! It's worth facing fines and/or whatever other penalties just to have more penises around!

Ok Found Soul,

I got about a third of the way through responding to your post, then I realized that I hadn't google investigated it.

What you did was you copied and pasted this "checklist" from a well known man hating feminist named Peggy McIntosh. As is such it does NOT warrant my precious time to sit here and refute 46 COMPLETELY MADE UP/IMAGINARY items. I will instead copy and past a link to the response to this list from A Voice For Men. You can read their response to this bullshit list. They carefully respond to all 46 pieces of steaming horseshit.

But the bottom line is that women have the same OPPORTUNITIES in life as men do. But having the same opportunities in life does NOT guarantee the same OUTCOMES!

See that's the thing; feminists want there to be ZERO possibility for women to ever fail at anything, even if it's their OWN FAULT. When women don't work harder or work more hours or strive for higher positions, feminists call that "misogyny" and blame it on men!


The Male Privilege Checklist: Or, a great list of lies, designed to exhaust and insult anyone with the intellectual integrity to actually read and address those lies.

Read it here:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/male-privilege-checklist/

Here's another response to that list Found Soul.

As a response to the feminist “Male Privilege Checklist” I’m going to codify the privileges that most if not all females enjoy.

1. From an early age the opposite sex will be instructed never to hit me but I may not be given the same instructions. However, should I strike males I can expect not to be hit back and any social penalties that occur from my actions will actually fall on the male.
2. If I’m not smart, but pretty, I can marry and achieve the social and financial level of my husband without ever working.
3. I can produce offspring. A status which grants me an “essential” status in our species that men can never have and which can never be taken away from me even in old age.
4. Regardless of my mate value society has organized fertility clinics and social welfare programs that will allow me to have children and provide for them should I choose to reproduce without a mate or marriage.
5. I not only have the more valuable and sought after sexual identity, but I also have complete control over my reproductive choice and in many ways over the reproductive choice of the opposite sex.
6. At any time I can abandon my parental responsibilities with little or no social stigma and hand the child over to the state or abort the pregnancy. A male could never relieve himself of this burden unless I allow him to.
7. I am granted all the rights of a democracy without any of the burdens of military service.
8. At age 18 I lose the protective status of the child but retain the protective status of the female. Boys at age 18 lose the protected status of the child and become targets if they fail to gain status after that point.
9. When I marry a man with status I can take his name and become whoever he has spent years becoming. I need not do anything special to be worthy of receiving the reputation he has built. However, if I wish to keep my own name I can do so. Should my husband feel the sting of this insult I can simply call him a sexist for it.
10. People will help me more when I’m in need and I will receive no social penalty or stigma for it.
11. When I’m on a date things will be paid for me.
12. When I search for employment I can choose jobs which I think are fulfilling without concern of whether they provide a “family” wage.
13. I can discriminate against the opposite sex ruthlessly without social penalty.
14. If I marry and quit my job and enjoy a leisurely life with light housework and then later divorce I will be given half of the marital assets.
15. If I commit a crime and am convicted I will get a sentencing “discount” because of my gender. If I am very pretty it will increase my discount.
16. If I am a partner in crime with a man I will likely be charged with lesser crimes even though I committed the same crimes even if I was the ringleader.
17. I have the option to be outraged if my husband asks me if my behavior is due to PMS and later on use PMS as a successful legal defense for murdering that same husband.
18. At age 18 I will not be forced to register for Selective Service and will not be penalized for failing to do so.
19. At a time of war I will never be drafted and ripped from my employment, home, and family and forced to become a military slave.
20. My feelings are more important than men’s lives. Every precaution will be made to protect me from harassment at work. However, males will make up nearly %100 of workplace fatalities.
21. My gender controls 80% of domestic spending. We get to spend our money if we have any and we get to spend men’s money.
22. The majority of luxury apparel is designed, marketed to, and consumed by women.
23. Seven times as much jewelry will be purchased by or for me than by or for men.
24. I have a department of women’s health whereas men have no such department.
25. My gender enjoys more government spending on health than males do.
26. My gender consumes the lioness’ share of entitlement programs while men contribute the lion’s share of taxes.
27. If I rape or molest a child I can expect lighter treatment in court and afterwards receive less social stigma. What’s more, should I become pregnant, I can sue my victim for child support when he finally turns 18.
28. When I divorce my husband I will be guaranteed custody of my children unless I am deemed to be unfit. Even if my husband is “Parent of the Year” 10 years running it is unlikely he will get custody over me even if I am a mediocre parent.
29. When I divorce I can use false accusations of domestic violence, sexual molestation of the children or abuse of the children to gain advantage during court proceedings. If I am found out to be a liar I can expect to get away with it.
30. If a man calls me a slut it will probably hurt his reputation more than it hurts mine, but at any rate the damage will be small and localized. However, if I call him a child molester or claim that he raped me I can destroy him completely and the damage may be nationwide.
31. If I fail at my career I can blame the male dominated society.
32. I may have the luxury of staying home and being a housewife but if my sister’s husband does the same thing I’m likely to call him a deadbeat loser and tell her to leave him.
33. If I “choose” to join the military; the best military occupations providing the most lucrative civilian training will be reserved for me. I will be kept away from the fighting as much as possible to the point that I will be thirty times less likely to be killed in a war zone than my male counterparts. I will be given equal pay for less risk. I will never have to consider the fact that by joining the military and getting a plumb assignment I automatically forced a male out of that position and into a combat role that may cost him his life.
34. If a male soldier injures himself before a deployment he can be arrested and court marshaled for it. If I deliberately get pregnant before a deployment or even during a deployment I will be reassigned and or taken out of a war zone and I will receive no penalty for it.
35. My gender watches more television in every hour of every day than any other group. This along with the fact that women control %80 of domestic spending means that most television shows and advertisement are designed to appeal to me.
36. I can wear masculine clothing if it pleases me however men cannot wear feminine clothing without social penalty.
37. Not only is there a wealth of clothing choices designed for me but it is likely that I will be able to afford or have them provided for me.
38. I can claim that a wage gap exists and that it is the fault of sexism while simultaneously seeking employment without considering income as a priority. I will probably choose my job based on satisfaction, flexibility of hours, and working conditions and then expect to make as much as the males working nights, out in the rain and cold or working overtime.
39. I can be bigoted or sexist against males without social penalty.
40. If I make a false claim of rape against a male in an act of revenge or in order to cover up my own scandalous behavior I may well succeed at both and he may spend years in prison. If I am found out it is unlikely I will be charged, convicted, or serve any time at all.
41. If I abuse my husband and physically assault him and the police arrive it is almost guaranteed he will go to jail.
42. If I am in an abusive relationship there are a multitude of social organizations to help me get away from him. There are few for men in the same position even though women initiate the majority of DV and even though men are hospitalized %30 of the time.
FPC Part 1
43. In the event of a natural disaster or other emergency that requires evacuation I can expect to be evacuated before males. This includes male doctors, humanitarians, politicians, captains of industry, billionaires, and religious leaders. I will receive no social penalty if all of those people died because I was evacuated first. However, should they manage to get evacuated before women and those women died they will all suffer a social penalty.
44. If someone is attacking a person on the street I have no obligation to assist them and I will receive no social penalty if I do nothing.
45. If someone is harming my children and I run away and ask someone else to help I will receive no social penalty for my cowardice.
46. I’m immune to cognitive dissonance.
47. I may denounce the concept of a dowry, however, I still expect a man to give me an engagement ring when he asks me to marry him.
48. I expect a man to ask me to marry me and suffer the potential risk of rejection.
49. If I lie it’s because I’m a victim of a male dominated society forced into difficult circumstances and not because I’m a bad person.
50. If my boyfriend sabotages a condom he can pay me child support for the next 20 years. If I secretly don’t take my birth control my boyfriend can pay me child support for the next 20 years.
51. If I’m uncomfortable exercising around men I can demand a female only gym be made for women. If any male only gyms exist I can demand membership under threat of lawsuit.
52. If my female only gym at the university decides to close early for safety reasons I can scream sexism and force them to keep it open as long as the main gym.
53. If I succeed at keeping the female gym open and I leave late at night and I don’t feel safe I can demand that the university spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for more lighting and police presence.
54. If after getting new lighting and police protection I decide I don’t want to go to the gym anymore well that’s just my prerogative.
55. I’m likely to believe that if a woman is intoxicated she is not capable of giving consent and if sex occurs it is rape. However, if her male partner is also intoxicated he is capable of consenting.
56. If a man is promoted over me at work I have a right to suspect sexism even though I also believe that under adverse circumstances men are more capable than women of making good decisions. (see #55)
57. I can cry and get my husband to do something for me that he might not have done otherwise.
58. I expect people (especially men) to be sensitive to my feelings.
59. I can deny a man’s feelings or disregard them or ridicule him for having them without social penalty.
60. If I lose my job it’s because of sexism or the economy. If a man loses his job it’s because he’s a loser.
61. If I go to a club or bar with my girlfriends and I look my sexy best I have a right to be perturbed when men approach me and hit on me in this public place.
62. Even though men die more from prostate cancer than women die from breast cancer I can expect that twice as much funding is given for breast cancer. The same will apply to any female specific disease or malady.
63. If for some reason I do not get custody of my children I will be expected to pay less child support than another man in my exact same position.
64. If I kidnap my children and I am eventually caught I can successfully defend myself by claiming I was protecting them from my husband–even if my children were given to him to protect them from me.
65. My gender makes up %53 of the voting population yet when I see more men in political office I will call that sexism.
66. If I am married with children and I want to stay home with the kids I’m likely to blame my husband for not making enough to allow me to do that.
67. I think it is my right to work and I am unconcerned if the influx of women into the workforce has reduced overall wages to the point that it’s hard to support a family on just one income, or affirmative action has kept men from being promoted even though they deserved it.
68. I can get student financial aid without signing up for Selective Service (the Draft).
69. I can get employment with a federal agency without signing up for Selective Service.
70. Restrooms for my gender will be cleaner and are more likely to have flowers or other decorations.
71. If I’m caring for a child restrooms for my gender will more likely have a changing table for my convenience.
72. People I’ve never met before are more likely to open doors for me.
73. People I’ve never met before are more likely to talk to me in public.
74. If I go to a bar I can expect that members of the opposite sex will purchase drinks for me.
75. Anytime I find an organization just for men I can denounce it as sexism.
76. I believe that women should have organizations just for women.
77. If I meet a man that I like and I give him my phone number and he doesn’t call I have a right to think of him as an asshole.
78. If I meet a man that I like and I give him my phone number and he calls me I have a right to blow him off or act like I don’t know him.
79. I believe I have a right to live in an orderly and safe society but I feel no obligation to risk my safety to secure or maintain that society.
80. I like it when bars and clubs have drinks specials just for women.
81. I think that organizations that offer any discounts or privileges just for men is a clear sign of sexism.
82. If I’m white I will live 6 years longer than white males and 14 years longer than black males.
83. If I’m encouraged to get medical care it’s because I owe it to myself.
84. When my husband is encouraged to get medical help it’s because he owes to to me and the kids.
85. If something bad happens to me or just one woman I believe it is an offense against all women.
86. I believe that if something bad happens to a man it’s because he’s a loser.
87. I think that alimony is fair when paid to a woman but not fair when paid by a woman.
88. I’m more likely to believe that women who commit crimes are sick and need treatment or understanding whereas men who commit crimes are evil and should be locked up forever.
89. I can criticize the opposite sex without social penalty, but woe be to the man who attempts to criticize me or other women.
90. I can throw a fit and act like a two year old to get what I want without damaging my mate value.
91. I have the luxury of not being the filter for natural selection.
92. I can sleep with my boss if I want and afterwards I can sue him for sexual harassment.
93. I can wear seductive clothing and perfume to attract a man at work but no one will accuse me of sexual harassment.
94. If I hear a story about Darfur and how men who leave the refugee camps to gather wood are hacked to death to prevent their wives from being raped I am likely to think that is proper but not likely to send money.
95. If I hear a story about Darfur and how women are leaving the refugee camps to gather wood are being raped I’m likely to be outraged. I’m also likely to wonder why these women’s husbands aren’t protecting them.
96. If I ever heard these stories about Darfur it is my privilege not to care or even consider that the reason the second story exists is because all the men in the first have already been killed.
97. It is my right to maintain the belief that men oppress women despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

http://mensresistance.wordpress.com/female-privilege-checklist/

Still waiting to hear back from you Setanta.

Did I get your goat old boy?

Are you going to be man enough to admit that you were wrong?

Because admitting that you were wrong would actually give me some respect for you.

Ferk, you asked me if I wanted you to respond. Not really I just found it amusing

BUT, you missed that I found (one) reason that you asked Set.... And I am right go back.......

Incorrect.

At least in the U.S., women are allowed to join the military.

The difference is that in the U.S. men are FORCED to sign up for selective service when they turn 18. If they don't, then they aren't allowed to to vote, and could possibly face jail time.

Women have the legal right to not have to sign up for selective service (basically agreeing to die). Women are allowed to vote without signing up for selective service.

Forcing men to sign up for selective service is the equivalent of if the government went around taking down the names of all the black people in the U.S. just "IN CASE" the government needed to institute slavery again someday if the economy fell apart. What selective service is, is something that forces a certain group of people (a minority in fact, because there are less men in the U.S. than women. That is the dictionary definition of "minority".) to agree to do something against their free will.

If women have all the same rights as men do, then they should have all the same responsibilities as well.

I like you Found Soul, and I don't really think you believe in bullshit feminist ideology, but think about what you posted. Think about how the list I posted was twice as long in regards to privileges that women have.

The fact is that there are at least five legal rights that women in the U.S. have that men don't. Women have all the same legal rights that men have and then some without all the same responsibilities that men do!

FOR THE RECORD:
When the ERA was being debated n defeated,
I argued against chicks being exposed to military conscription.

I wanted and want them to be excluded from that.





David

This reminds me of short people that want to be tall, that I can't stand and pee well not properly and that only women bleed.

There are just things in life that can't be changed so what is the point in living constantly wishing that it could.

In the US. Women "can" be at the forefront of a war or in the background of the war? I'm pretty sure in Aussie-Land, they can be in the war, but in the background and yes, they get to choose.

I'm not a feminist. You're right. I'm not anything really.

I also would encourage men to cry in front of a woman, I think it's idiotic that "some", women think that a man doesn't have emotions and has to control and hide them otherwise they are weak.

I would like to see equality and we be called "people" instead of man and woman, with projections of what one can do and one can't do. Let them decide for themselves. Though it would be very strange seeing 1000 women and no men at war, with guns at the forefront in skirts... and pony tails... I have good visualisation ..... I wonder if the other side would just drop their guns so to speak

Strangely I have always said when I pass, make sure I come back as a man this time. After reading all of that, I think I'll just skip it.

There is absolutely NO reason to think that the law couldn't be changed to make women sign up for selective service. There is absolutely no reason to think that the law couldn't be changed to give men legal rights to:

1) NOT have to sign up for selective service.
2) Not be genitaly mutilated against their will.
3) Choose whether to be a parent of not.
4) To be the assumed caregiver for a child or not let women be assumed the caregiver.
5) To call unwanted, coerced sex "rape", or to not let women call it that



You are sweet. You have a kind heart. Doesn't sound like nothing to me.



This is part of gynocentric culture. It's specifically traditionalism, which is probably the second worst part of gynocentric culture (after feminism).



Agreed.



And a sense of humor is also a very attractive quality in a woman.

THIS!



Now you've hit a sore spot. There should be a thread about this.



3) So, I "chose" to "maybe" be a parent one day. I'm career orientated. Still am. Yet, at 37, I "discussed" with my to be then husband children. We agreed on 1. Though I also felt that would be selfish, growing up on their own, no brother or sister to play with, a bit late in life as parents, we were, I still am, I suspect he is too, very young at heart. HE chose as soon as he put the ring on my finger NOT to have children. His words " they cost too much money" So .... this works both ways nononono

4) I am engaged, nearly 5 years. My fiancé got to see "our" daughter twice a week, she's 16 now, so once a week due to travel, homework, sports, singing etc. I get that. But a lot of men take on the role of being the parent these days or certainly gain 50/50 rights. Honestly, if the child is a girl how are you going to discuss puberty? Sex ? Understand her emotions, fears.. To be honest, we were put on the Earth to bare children, we have a different wired brain than a male. I know you can state, yes but if it's a boy, how are you going to teach him soccer, how to treat a woman. Easy, we can kick a ball and we know how we want to be treated.. My take on that is 50/50 give the child 50/50 access, be a responsible parent do not let your lives get in the way of your child's happiness and future. Not everyone stays together.

5) Boys get raped too. I doubt they will ever call it. They will tell themselves that they lost their virginity to an older woman, whoo hoo and brag. Men get used as sex objects, a night on the town, a few drinks.. But they don't see that, they see " I scored whoo hoo".

In a lot of cases, men use women, they see them as sex objects, they see them as sluts, if they sleep on the first night they are a slut, if they go past kissing, then they deserve it, they asked for it, they were drunk.

There is already a thread on that note by firefly ... What about all the sexual abuse of touching inappropriately, by actors / priests / hospital staff .... For the most part everyone shuts up through fear. What about Seville with the elderly, imagine how those women felt, degraded can't say anything..

Most women don't .

Look there is good and evil in this work, just simply put and if we don't look at that, there are selfish and un-selfish people, there are users and non users, there are ...............people.



Thanks : )

And you didn't scream and yell lols... YAY!!!!! ...