Elliot Rodger

Absolutely liberating and **** you too.

God you're stupid. There's plenty of psychopaths outside of mental health units. You keep digging don't you, the more you argue the more you reinforce the negative image of people.

My knowledge of internet search engines is limited to what most people know. Despite having a Tory led government in charge, I'm not paranoid about anything I've entered.

I don't need to use any of the more obscure search engines because I'm not interested in trading anything illegal, committing crimes or planning terrorist activities. The fact that you're so au fais with such engines, and have actually admitted to entering child pornography terms "just to see what comes up," is all we need to know.

Please stop trying to explain it, the hole is getting bigger and bigger.

What does a P2P network search have to do with a web search engine????

Hint zero as a matter of fact and such p2p networks are completely open to anyone including law enforcement.



I normally used google as my primary search engine myself but once more p2p networks such as ARES have nothing to do with web search engines.

It amaze me that you can turn on a computer knowing and understanding so little.

footnote the UK government in order to "protected the children" from porn of any kind internet filtering is blocking twenty percent of all websites with a large percent of those block sites having nothing to do with porn.

does anyone want to talk about the killer?

Two things interest me about the 140 pages:

1) he shows no shame or humiliation that mom was organizing play dates all the way up to 10, and that if she did not he usually had no social action. For a guy who is sure that he is hot stuff he should have, he never should have mentioned this.

2) he says that all of the help he got from pros was " useless advise", which makes me want to know what made it useless. Was it that they all were talking about him changing his behavior and this is something that he was not going to do? I bet so.

Elliot reminds me of this scene


" It's hard to put a leash on a dog once you've put a crown on its head"

Here Izzy is another of my attempted to educate you on aspects of the internet that you at the moment seems to have no understanding of.

Not that your lack of understanding had been allowed to stand in your way of condemning me for actions you do not understand.

Thanks Bill for working so fast to bury my attempt to talk about the thread topic.

Sorry Hawkeye, but I have the standing to answer the personal attacks on my character that Izzy love to launch no matter what thread he wish to used to do so.

Maybe I could just put together one reply covering all the issues Izzy love to used to try to attacked my character and just dump it on any thread at the first Izzy attack post on that thread.

He always first bring up the issue of the do not attack order that my ex-wife got on me then he go on to attack me for daring to used a public park to try to find homes for kittens and then my position on the proper punishment for the crime of child porn trading.

That should cut him short enough to keep the threads from being taken over by Izzy attack posts and my reply to them.

Maybe you can knick off and find another thread to talk rubbish on I think I started one, for you once, yes I did want me to find it!

Nice little piece in The Metro UK about how more and more young women are rejecting feminism and all it's toxicity:



Is the Women Against Feminism Tumblr proof that we’re fed up of being part of generation feminist?

The site encourages women, most of them under-25, to post pictures of themselves posing with signs that say why they don’t need feminism. Yup, you heard right.

With captions like ‘I don’t need feminism because I am not a victim’ and ‘I don’t need feminism because I believe in equality not entitlements and supremacy’, there will no doubt be uproar within the feminist community. A LOT of uproar.

But what does feminism even mean anymore?

It’s supposed to mean equality for women – that’s the same social, economical, political, workplace and home life benefits as men. It’s supposed to mean that we get treated the same as a gender that, since history began, has had the upper hand.

There’s no denying we’re almost there – yes, there’s still more men in senior positions at the biggest companies in the world, and yes there’s more stay-at-home women than men, but women are entitled to everything men are, give or take a few things.

This Tumblr is not an expression from women that they want to go backwards in time, this is an act against what the modern day feminist has come to represent in society, as the page describes it ‘a toxic culture’.

Young women are actually stepping back and saying ‘is this how we should be treating men?’ and it’s kind of nice.

It’s saying yes we’re grateful that we can vote and get an equal education and equal treatment in the office, but do we need to show off our tampon strings and say horrible things about men all the time, just because we can?

I for one say, probs not. I get it girls, I get it.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/13/is-the-women-against-feminism-tumblr-proof-that-were-fed-up-of-being-part-of-generation-feminist-4796370/

I don't think he had gay tendencies either, but I think he did have fears that others, particularly other males, might view him that way.

From at least the age of 5, when he wasn't as good as the other boys in his pre-school at football, he felt inadequate compared to other males. In elementary school, it was because he was short and not as physically strong as the others, but when an even shorter boy was better at basketball than he was, that enraged him even more. It mirrored his later rage when he saw or heard about, or even thought, about non-white males having more sexual success with white women than he did, because he was half-white, and, in his mind, that made him superior to them.

And when he was older, in high school, the other male teens attracted female attention and he didn't, and he saw these "brutes" as less deserving than he was. It was all about his jealousy and envy and feeling inadequate compared to other males, and his anger about that, and toward them, was intensified by the bullying he was subjected to, some of which may have included insults about his masculinity, since males do taunt each other with insults like "pussy"--we can see that sort of thing even going on at A2K. And when he was beaten up at the only college party he tried to attend, mainly because of his own inappropriate behavior, being called a "faggot" was like the final insult--it was after that party he became determined to seek revenge. He must have made an issue of the "faggot" slur, because when he made a report of the incident to the police, they first considered classifying it as a hate crime--and that would have made sense only if Elliot was gay, or if the police thought he might be. So I do think, on some level, he had concerns about other males perceiving him to be gay.

By the time he got to college, he was in such a rage about seeing any couple together, he couldn't sit in a class if there was a couple in it, and he hated women for denying him the status they gave to these less deserving men, so his anger focused more intensively on women as being the controlling power, the ones denying him his entitlements, and, by the end, he was much more focused on stripping women of their power, both through his rape fantasies and his fantasies of putting them into concentration camps, then with having a relationship of any sort with them. He wasn't sexually frustrated, or desirous of a real sexual relationship, his ultimate rage at all of humanity basically stemmed from his feeling that he didn't fit into the world as a man--he wasn't measuring up, and he hated and blamed others for making him feel that way, because he felt superior, and he was going to demonstrate that superiority--his Alpha maleness--through violence, and his capacity to destroy life.

I don't think Elliot was asexual, but I don't think his problems were primarily sexual, or at all related to wanting a sexual relationship, or even about getting laid. It was all about fitting in, being seen as a normal male. Having a beautiful girl by his side, or in the passenger seat of his car, would validate his being a normal, successful male--particularly in the eyes of other men. It was all about superficial appearances, not with actually wanting a sharing caring relationship with a female. Women were like expensive sweaters to him, they could make him look good, which is why he wanted a beautiful one next to him, mainly for other men to see.

I totally agree with D, when he said, "Elliot in his opinion was mentally incapable of having a relationship with anyone"--and that was what Elliot never understood about himself. That's why he blamed everyone else for his misery and loneliness--he didn't have the innate social capacities that would have allowed him to develop relationships and friendships--that's why his mother had to arrange play-dates for him. But, by the time he hit puberty, his mother could no longer structure a social life for him, and he was totally unable to develop one for himself--he wasn't just shy, he was significantly socially disabled and extremely withdrawn all of his life--perhaps due to biology and autism. Most of us can't imagine what it's like to be disabled in that way, or to suffer from autism, and that's part of what makes Elliot difficult to understand.

No way was Elliot a normal disaffected or dejected young man--he was never normal--he never acquired normal social skills or a normal understanding of social interactions --he couldn't function adequately in social situations, he simply experienced distress because he couldn't cope--that's why he had to change high schools 3 times, and why Santa Barbara was his 3rd attempt at trying to attend college, he couldn't function at the first 2 he attended part-time.

He was clueless about relationships--he had no idea about the reciprocal nature of most relationships, including sexual and family relationships, I don't think he understood reciprocity at all, and it wasn't something he was at all capable of, even with his few childhood friends. He was on the very infantile level of seeing other people as either satisfying his needs or not, and he never moved beyond that. He really wasn't capable of having a normal relationship with anyone. But, because Elliot didn't understand that, he blamed all sorts of other things, and people, for his social isolation and loneliness and despair. He could appreciate scenery, but he couldn't appreciate, or fathom, the complexity of other people or their social interactions. His views of other people, including his parents, are rather one-dimensional and flat.

I don't think we can understand Elliot without trying to imagine what effect being autistic had on his social functioning and his perceptions of others, and on how others perceived and reacted to him. By all accounts, including those of his father and family friends, he was a difficult and self-absorbed person to be around, he wasn't appealing, and he wasn't just shy, he was difficult to tolerate, particularly when obsessed with an issue like losing his virginity. His father also said he was rigid and compulsive about things, like the placement of plates on a table, which is often a characteristic of autistic individuals. While his family and 2 childhood friends understood, and likely accommodated his problems, the outside world largely didn't, and his step-mother might have been unwilling to do that as much as his parents did.

And, the older Elliot got, the more mental health problems became superimposed on his autism, rendering him even more dysfunctional, and paranoid, and ultimately lethal. He never coped or functioned well, but increasingly more severe mental health problems, which he managed to conceal, were what lead to his irrational killing spree. And his autism may have predisposed him to developing mental health problems that really were beyond anyone's ability to successfully address, partly because he kept them well hidden, but partly because he had pre-existing biological problems that made treating him, or just dealing with him, extremely difficult for those around him, and it may well have been difficult to see what was due to autism, and what was due to mental illness. I think that's one reason his parents were blind-sighted by his capacity for murderous violence when he finally revealed it. I suspect that was the case for his therapists as well.

I think his father was being well meaning in trying to help him lose his virginity with a prostitute, so he wouldn't have the virginity issue to continually obsess about. And, while Elliot rejected the idea, it likely would have been the only kind of sexual experience he could have handled, because the female's attention would have focused entirely on pleasing and gratifying him, and that's exactly what Elliot wanted--he just didn't like the idea that someone was only doing that because they were being paid. He wanted some beautiful girl to take one look at him, drag him off to her bed, and devote herself exclusively to pleasuring him. That really was his fantasy. He had no understanding of relationships, or reciprocity, so his father's suggestion about getting him a prostitute really wasn't a bad idea at all. Elliot just saw having to pay for what he wanted as another wound to his narcissism and sense of entitlement..

This is what I'm talking about. Firefly doesn't get to make this assertion because she's never had the experience of being a disaffected or dejected young man. She can't relate, and therefore can not be an authority on this subject.

The autistic side of it may be less common, but the alienation with women part is so common that it's actually laughable that firefly would even make this claim.



Sounds like a typical teenager/younger person to me. I mean it's sad but true that people of that age are often very self absorbed. And that's certainly also true about women as a whole in their early 20's. The world kissess their asses, and so they get it in their heads that it's OK to be all "Me. Me. Me." all the time.



I don't think this was "well meaning" or normal at all. I think his father was part of the problem. Not as big a part as his mother, but a shallow person overall who cared more about his career than Eliot.



I wouldn't either.



Many men have this same fantasy. It's not in and of itself indicative of psychopathy.


...And so what we have here is exactly what I was talking about Found Soul. Firefly is interjecting a whole lot of bullshit and her ideas of what's "abnormal" for men without realizing that she's never and will never experience the world through the eyes of a dejected young man.

The autism and mental illness side of this I don't dispute. I'm just pointing out that the all knowing, all seeing Dr. firefly is absolutely wrong with characterizing Eliot's lack of positive experiences and attitudes about women as "abnormal".

If you had been alive in the 1970s you would know that the Feminism movement begin with the ideal of both equal rights and equal responsibilities and that was what the equal right amendment was all about.

I was a big time supporter even becoming a care carrying member of NOW.

Somehow over the decades this movement had change into anti-male with the idea that most women are helpless victims to men and needed details and harsh laws to protect them.

In fact they are such weak victims that the state should disregard their expressed wishes when the state get involved for their own good.

So, I approached a male for his take on all of this and you've read my answers.

Tell me if you will, how do you see Elliot Rodgers in a paragraph?

Profiling someone can be done by either gender based on what, a lot of research into a said subject.

It is un-settling that any male, mentally ill, autistic, controlling, does not view a woman as anything more than a house-cleaner and sex object to be there for his own needs.

I'm all for the 'New World' where we all pull together, help each other, work, & aim at pleasing each other.

That doesn't make me a feminist as I believe in equality.

Had I been old enough during the first wave of feminism, I would've supported it fully.

But like you said, what feminism is today is not what it once was.

I truly believe with all my heart that the current wave of feminism that started in earnest in the early 1990's, is one of the absolute most evil ideologies to ever exist. Right up there with Naziism. Except that's a bit unfair to Nazis, because at least Nazis were more open about their hate. They didn't hide deep in every single facet of society, secretly manipulating and controlling everyone.

Glad to hear that. I believe in equality also. I don't believe in entitlement.



I'll try to do that later tonight.

It is not at all secret, they are very open about it, to the point that they are constantly justifying their behavior. If it were not for the feminists taking over and running our laws and morals women would be constantly raped and otherwise abused by men because as we all know " MEN SUCK!"....I am sure that you got one of the many memo's to this effect.

I think blame should fall on the person who launched unprovoked attacks against BillRM, rather than on BillRM for defending himself.

But best of luck in your endeavor to get back on topic.

Odds are that as long as izzythepush uses your thread for making outrageous unprovoked attacks against people, those people will be rebutting the attacks that he makes.

It's absurd for anyone to say you can't understand Elliot Rodger because you've never been a male. You've done considerable research and given considerable thought to what you've learned about him, and that's what qualifies you to offer conclusions and offer opinions about this particular individual.

I'm surprised that any male would try to promote this extremely socially disabled, and extremely disturbed, young man as being at all "normal" or typical for his age and gender. To suggest that, is a terribly derogatory view of young men, given what Rodger revealed about himself in both his manifesto and his killing spree.

Autism is classified as a pervasive developmental disorder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pervasive_developmental_disorder

That means that Autism affected every aspect of his social and interpersonal functioning, all of his relationships, and his ability to relate to others, his ability to adapt and adjust, his emotional development and frustration tolerance, and his ability to navigate all states of psychosocial development from early childhood onward.

In childhood, his mother arranged play-dates for him, and nannies spent time with him, so his inability to initiate peer relationships would not leave him socially isolated. And he saw this as the happiest time of his life. By middle school, when normal social pressures increase, he became more aware of not fitting in, he was more often socially isolated and alone, and he retreated into playing World of Warcraft for about, as I recall, 2 years. As he got older, WOW allowed him to maintain some common interest with 2 friends from his play-date days, until that eventually waned. He pursued an interest in skate boarding, an essentially solitary activity, but one that did help his self-confidence as he saw himself make progress. But in high school, he was less and less able to cope with any demand for adequate social functioning in a mainstream environment, he began experiencing panic attacks in school, and he was bullied by other boys. His parents had to remove him from 2 high schools before he was placed in a small, more sheltered, school that he thought about dropping out of, but managed to stay in and to receive his diploma. He spoke to almost no one at that school except for one teacher he talked with about WOW.

The principal at that last school described him as exhibiting classic signs of Asperger's. Similar comments have been made by the two family friends who have spoken out--he wasn't shy, he was profoundly withdrawn and self-absorbed, he had difficulty maintaining eye contact or carrying on a conversation, he wasn't emotionally spontaneous, he wasn't easy to be around, and he had little interest in others. Students at Santa Barbara, who tried to include him in small social conversational groups, said he either stared into space for hours, ignoring them, or obsessed about his virginity and not having a girlfriend--he had no interest in them. All of his roommates felt uncomfortable with him, and moved out, and the two he killed had already made plans to move out of the apartment they shared.

Elliot Rodger did not have problems with women--he had pervasive social problems that were socially disabling--most likely due to Autism. And, by the time he left high school, he had developed significant symptoms of mental illness as well, which made him so dysfunctional he couldn't sit through classes at the first two colleges he tried to attend, and he'd drop the courses, and it caused him to withdraw from all of his courses at Santa Barbara, although he remained living near the school and walking around the campus while he plotted his revenge.

Simply because he was consumed with hate for women, felt ignored by them, thought about sex, and bemoaned his virginity, things some males posting here can apparently identify with, by no stretch does that mean he was a "normal" adolescent young male, unless the males asserting that are just as equally dysfunctional and disturbed as he was, and also blame their personal problems on others, particularly women. Not only was Elliot Rodger not normal, he came across as somewhat weird and creepy, which is why other men at his college weren't comfortable around him either. He made no male friends. Why women ignored him is fairly easy to understand--or does one have to be a woman to understand that.

I think I see his Autism as accounting more for his basic problems than you do. It was the Autism that made him different, that made him not fit in, that made him less able to adequately function socially, and to feel envy and jealously of those who did. And his Autism may have contributed to the development of his mental health problems, and helped to obscure them, from both his family and the professionals who tried to treat him.

Elliot was not as self confident or poised or verbal in real social situations as he appeared in his YouTube videos--where he looked and sounded more like someone giving a performance, or trying to, than someone conveying genuine strong emotion about suffering or hate. Considering what he's talking about in those videos, his emotional tone and vocal inflection and facial expression are rather flat and non-spontaneous. And this is when he's trying to ham it up for the camera, so one can only imagine how flat, and somewhat wooden, and odd he must have seemed to those who had any actual interaction with him, or just observed him socially. I looked at the red carpet photos again--I thought he looked pretty flat, wooden, and detached in those too--he wasn't looking around, he didn't seem at all excited or curious, mostly he was just staring rather blankly, while others were rather animated--I didn't have the feeling he was sharing in the emotion and excitement of a pretty big night for his father--he looked off in his own world .

And Elliot was definitely not as verbal, when relating to others, as he was in his manifesto--so that creates a someone distorted impression too. And it's his story, told only from his point of view, and for a specific purpose, so it's selectively focused on certain incidents and events and people--obviously leaving out a great deal. His sister, for instance, is barely mentioned and he gives us no sense of what she was like. And he makes no mention, at all, of how he thinks his planned killing spree and suicide will affect his parents--or his sister--who will have to live with the aftermath of what he will do, including the loss of him. Did he really not think about that? Did he not care about that? Was this how he would get revenge on them too? It makes me wonder whether he really ever loved anyone in his entire life. Maybe he wasn't capable of that either.