A Visit from the Spirit Realm

I know. The fact that there is absolutely no evidence supporting such claims and a veritable mountain of evidence disputing it is what makes believing in such things retarded.

. . . it has some really glaring leaps of pure faith and is, on the whole, just a baseless cum hoc ergo propter hoc argument.

IronLionZion wrote:

First of all, the burden of proof lies on the people who claim such things exist, not on the scientists (read: rational people) who claim they do not. You're asking scientists to prove a negative.

I regret that I answered Kicky's question in a way that makes you think I'm trying to prove anything. I am not interested in proving anything. As the song goes... I know what I know.

All I offered was a small and strange anecdotal truth. Because I report this, you feel compelled to claim I must be a liar, irrational, delusional and/or retarded?

I am surprised.

<raises eyebrows> Where is your scientific curiosity?


My mother, btw, was a field entomologist whose career was cut short by WWII and later raising a large family.

I think to assume that we simply live and die is as dualistic as religion, and given that it is clear the universe continues on without us is ample enough speculative evidence to suggest that something exists beyond our physical being, even if we do not understand it yet.

....I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything here either, and I really just thought that this was an interesting topic, but since people want to argue about it....

Sorry for ruining your thread, homie.

I'd ask a ouija board, but the things make me uneasy. Make me think of greaszszsy people.

Spirits, religion, voodoo, power vortexes - they're all of a piece to me. I don't believe in them. Kind of wish I did, but logic plays too large a role in my life for me to believe in that sort of thing.

Think of this as a little fantasy indulgence. That's all it is to me. I don't believe what the "psychic" that read my palm on Ninth Avenue told me either, but it was just for fun.

Kicky writes:

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Think of this as a little fantasy indulgence. That's all it is to me. I don't believe what the "psychic" that read my palm on Ninth Avenue told me either, but it was just for fun.

I bow to the wishes of the thread-starter but wish he would allow the discussion of the possibility/probability/fact of a spirit world to continue as it is interesting.

As one who believes in a spirit world, I can still dabble in fantasy indulgence as well. May I be the first to suggest that heaven will in no way involve fluffy pink clouds or little harps? It is my fantasy that heaven will include fine wine, good books, horses, great sex, and key lime pie that won't add unwanted pounds to all the great bodies that will be there.

How can you tell Craven? Only the head of your bunny shows.

mr. kicky,

having had similiar experiences in my sleeping life, i know how dreams have provided a kind of insulation and comfort against all the confusion and the fear that crowd my waking life; they've made reality bearable, when all the arrows were pointing toward unbearable.

when we are lucky enough to have vivid and symbolic dreams, those wonderful and unexpected visitations, we can only hope that those we choose to share them with will reflect back the kind of awe, appreciation and respect for what is unknown...

Peace and Love wrote:

Retarded?? That's something that happens to yeast when it's exposed to too-high or too-low temperatures.... a hassle when baking bread....

heh