Pyramids holes

Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 08:03 am
1. I would like to know how strong are the facts for that the Pyramids were built by human or ancient high tech aliens?

2. Can you give me examples for such as how was it possible to drill huge perfect deep holes in the Pyramid blocks without spoiling the rock or without leaving damaged areas in it? from what i understand you need to have a really hard and deep driller who could turn in really high speed to do so, but the problem is that the ancestors never had or could possibly have such technology?....

3. Are there any Archaeology evidences that you guys can send me to watch and read about it? and where i can find a good knowlege base for archeology questions?
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 08:12 am
A couple of interesting thoughts on this:

Pyramids were built with concrete rather than rocks, scientists claim
Charles Bremner, Paris
# Method used only at higher levels
# Blocks set using a limestone slurry
How the Egyptians really built a Pyramid

The Ancient Egyptians built their great Pyramids by pouring concrete into blocks high on the site rather than hauling up giant stones, according to a new Franco-American study.

The research, by materials scientists from national institutions, adds fuel to a theory that the pharaohs’ craftsmen had enough skill and materials at hand to cast the two-tonne limestone blocks that dress the Cheops and other Pyramids.

Despite mounting support from scientists, Egyptologists have rejected the concrete claim, first made in the late 1970s by Joseph Davidovits, a French chemist.

The stones, say the historians and archeologists, were all carved from nearby quarries, heaved up huge ramps and set in place by armies of workers. Some dissenters say that levers or pulleys were used, even though the wheel had not been invented at that time.

Until recently it was hard for geologists to distinguish between natural limestone and the kind that would have been made by reconstituting liquefied lime.

But according to Professor Gilles Hug, of the French National Aerospace Research Agency (Onera), and Professor Michel Barsoum, of Drexel University in Philadelphia, the covering of the great Pyramids at Giza consists of two types of stone: one from the quarries and one man-made.

“There’s no way around it. The chemistry is well and truly different,” Professor Hug told Science et Vie magazine. Their study is being published this month in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society.

The pair used X-rays, a plasma torch and electron microscopes to compare small fragments from pyramids with stone from the Toura and Maadi quarries.

They found “traces of a rapid chemical reaction which did not allow natural crystalisation . . . The reaction would be inexplicable if the stones were quarried, but perfectly comprehensible if one accepts that they were cast like concrete.”

The pair believe that the concrete method was used only for the stones on the higher levels of the Pyramids. There are some 2.5 million stone blocks on the Cheops Pyramid. The 10-tonne granite blocks at their heart were also natural, they say. The professors agree with the “Davidovits theory” that soft limestone was quarried on the damp south side of the Giza Plateau. This was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became a watery slurry.

Lime from fireplace ash and salt were mixed in with it. The water evaporated, leaving a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet “concrete” would have been carried to the site and packed into wooden moulds where it would set hard in a few days. Mr Davidovits and his team at the Geopolymer Institute at Saint-Quentin tested the method recently, producing a large block of concrete limestone in ten days.

New support for their case came from Guy Demortier, a materials scientist at Namur University in Belgium. Originally a sceptic, he told the French magazine that a decade of study had made him a convert: “The three majestic Pyramids of Cheops, Khephren and Mykerinos are well and truly made from concrete stones.”

The concrete theorists also point out differences in density of the pyramid stones, which have a higher mass near the bottom and bubbles near the top, like old-style cement blocks.

Opponents of the theory dispute the scientific evidence. They also say that the diverse shapes of the stones show that moulds were not used. They add that a huge amount of limestone chalk and burnt wood would have been needed to make the concrete, while the Egyptians had the manpower to hoist all the natural stone they wanted.

The concrete theorists say that they will be unable to prove their theory conclusively until the Egyptian authorities give them access to substantial samples.

The OP clearly states that the scientist pair believe that cement-method was only used for the upper-most levels: "The pair believe that the concrete method was used only for the stones on the higher levels of the Pyramids. There are some 2.5 million stone blocks on the Cheops Pyramid. The 10-tonne granite blocks at their heart were also natural, they say."
So the bulk of the pyramid would still be quarried - and probably still built with the ramps / levers and whatnot that others describe - and this would STILL leave room for the cement levels, if such actually existed.

So of course there would still be evidence of quarrying - and their theory incorporates this.
Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 10:10 am
slavasla wrote:
1. I would like to know how strong are the facts for that the Pyramids were built by human or ancient high tech aliens?
Why would technologically advanced and intellectually superior beings create something as fundamentally useless as a pyramid?
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 04:24 pm
You answer wasn't good as i wanted it to be.... you gave me a lot of "Copy Paste" content from other places who copy pasted it from other places, without giving me any real links to the source of any of the methods Sad...

Any one else? i really want a good and reliable answer where i can look for the source of it and be sure it was a real research and not just "info" you find on google...
Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 04:42 pm
Meaning you can probably find better material yourself? Perhaps that's what you should do.
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 05:13 pm
I offer only for discussion. I am not here to do your research for you.
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2014 07:53 pm
Our ancestors were smart. Besides, it's really just a big pile of rocks. It's not like they built it out of carbon nanotubes or something. At least that would have been harder to explain with cantilevers and pulleys and simple manpower.
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