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Mon 19 Apr, 2004 10:18 am
It is said in the bible that on the third day jesus rose from his grave. But I've been thinking lately what would the effects of this event or anything else in Christianity being disproved? The factor of disbelief in what is said to be true is selfevident. I've also came to the conlusion of atheisms or humaniatisms rise. But the factor that still erks me is the fribrous attachment and the inflexable mind that christianity imposes. So I ask the effect?
the world would be 'exactly' as it is today!
Actually, this is a very simple question to answer. The apostle Paul said it best. "If Christ be not raised, YOUR FAITH IS VAIN, ye are yet in your sins" (1 Cor. 15:17).
Quite simply, unless Christ rose from the dead, He is not who He said He was.
truth
BoGoWo, no, the world would NOT be exactly as it is now. There would be no easter egg hunts.
People who wanted to believe would continue to do so no matter what proof or disproof was found.
Since there is no non-Biblical evidence that Jesus was resurrected and none of the historians of the time recorded what must surely have been a notable event, all Christian belief is based on faith alone. Proof is extraneous.
Many believe that the Shroud of Turin was Jesus' burial cloth even though it was radiocarbon dated to 13 centuries after his death.
They have no problem ignoring evidence that the Bible is not God's Unchanging Word such as the Nag Hammadi and Dead Sea Scrolls.
Even scientific proof for the 4.5 billion year age of the earth, evolution, and both historical and geological proof that there was never a world-wide flood are discounted by fundamentalists.
True Believers will choose faith over facts no matter what.
But this arises another question what would rise in the end. Which way will we lean toward fact or faith?
Nathan Grace wrote:Which way will we lean toward fact or faith?
Yes. And *why* do we choose the path we choose?
Teachings
The teachings of Jesus weren't exciting enough?
Miracles had to be attributed in order for people to
pay attention and believe in them?
Now according to Mel Gibson the brutal sufering had to be magnified in order to get people's attention. Blood flowing and skin flaying get people's attention.
And just to keep people on message the blood and body of Jesus have to be eaten every Sunday. Seems a bit canabalistic to me.
truth
You're right, Pistoff. Now you've me pissed off too.
Mmmm....BBQ Jesus....with crackers...
no Cav; that should read BBQ Jesus, "BY" crackers!
And I still believe the earth is flat
IMO there are five Horsemen of the Apocalypes. With the fifth being religion.
So would faith be our down fall or our uprising? Would our choosing faith over facts be foolish or would it be our strength? Or is it both?
To answer your question... Then we would all be doomed to hell. Thankfully that is not the case. I know where I'm going, do you?
Buffalo
And Just where do you believe that is?
What do you mean *IF* there was no resurrection? The Bible is a book of mythology, there was no resurrection, there were no miracles, there was no Biblical Jesus. The Bible was written by people who never knew the individual upon whom the messiah myths were draped.
CoastalRat wrote:Actually, this is a very simple question to answer. The apostle Paul said it best. "If Christ be not raised, YOUR FAITH IS VAIN, ye are yet in your sins" (1 Cor. 15:17).
Quite simply, unless Christ rose from the dead, He is not who He said He was.
You don't have any idea who Jesus said he was because Jesus never left any writings of his own. At best, you have the writings of third parties who *CLAIM* that Jesus made claims but you cannot prove that they are accurate in any way.
Exactly as I thought. The resurrection is what his followers claimed had happened. Would it be without a resurrection would he still be known as the son of god. i'm am not saying he did not exist and that his teachs are false. Maybe it was a product of a need for concrete faith.