@fresco,
fresco wrote:
No Frank, point 1 is nonsense. Of course there is "evidence" in the eyes of believers !
C'mon, Fresco...you are usually much sharper than this.
"Point 1" was: "Actually, most atheistic arguments are variations on two main themes: 1) Theists cannot produce evidence of a GOD...and there is no evidence that gods exist."
And for certain many atheists argue from that position. It really doesn't matter to the atheists making that argument if there is evidence in the eyes of the "believers."
What were you thinking about here? How can you claim it is nonsense, when there are atheists right here in A2K who argue from that position?
Quote:Point 2 holds depending on what line you take on the meaning of "existence".
Statements about "evidence for no Gods" are just facile.
Fresco...point 2 was: Actually, most atheistic arguments are variations on two main themes: 2) There is no need for a god to explain existence.
Whether the argument makes sense or not...you have to argue with your fellow atheists...but most certainly there are atheists who argue this point.
Quote:Atheism is NOT a belief.
SOME atheism is NOT a belief. Edgar Blythe, an atheist, definitely believes there are no gods. He has said so many, many times. I have several atheistic friends (all of whom are strong atheists, which is what you find mostly when you are not in debate with them)...and they all "believe" there are no gods.
Are you going to be like Jimmy and say that there are NO atheists who do not "believe" there are no gods. (Please tell me you are not.)
Quote:It is a rejection of THE NEED to believe irrespective of how it is vocally expressed. And "logic" plays no part whatsoever except in justifying the rejection of need. Agnostics like you who think religion is a potential matter of demonstrable "truth" or "correctness" simply don't get it.
Yeah...all fine and good. But almost every agnostic I know (including myself when I classified myself as an agnostic)...agree completely in rejecting the need to "believe" irrespective of how it is vocally expressed. I do not "believe" there are gods. (I also do not believe there are no gods)
Atheists like you who think the agnostics "don't get it"...simply do not get it.