God in human form

(My replies are in pretty red ink)

Neo said: the OT is necessary as a ". . .tutor leading to Christ...:(Galatioan 3:24)
The OT foretells his coming and makes interesting reading. But "essential"? Nah!
"Through Jesus we are saved,and not through Moses" (Acts 13:39)

Neo said: Don't recall any references by Jesus to christmas or easter. How does participating in pagan celebrations devoted to the Saturnalia or the goddess Astarte facilitate that?
Last I heard, Christmas and Easter were CHRISTIAN celebrations!
As for transfusions, we have the medical knowledge to save life with them, or aren't we supposed to be good samaritans? (I bet no atheist would refuse their kids a transfusion)..

Neo said: Consequently let him that thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall (1Corinthians 10:12)
Same to you mate, you've hitched your wagon to the JW's and have to let them do your thinking for you, but I belong to no organised religion and am free as a bird..
Jesus said:-"You have ONE teacher, ME" (Matt 23:10)

[Last I heard, Christmas and Easter were CHRISTIAN celebrations!

Alright kiddies, sit up straight and pay attention; copy this into your exercise books....OOPS sorry, I thought for a minute I was giving a sunday school class..

SCHOOLS OUT FOREVER by Mick
People wonder why the Old Testament was so harsh. The answer is that God has never changed, but the way he had to package himself to get his message across HAS changed, he had to talk in harsh primitive OT terms to earlier harsh primitive peoples in their own "language" like a strict headteacher to get their attention.
"In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent" (Acts 17:30)
"The law brought us to Christ like a schoolmaster, but now through Christ we are not under that schoolmaster" (Gal 3:22-25)
(Likewise, when Ryker in Star Trek joined Klingon vessel Pagh on an exchange visit as 1st Officer he had to punch and throw stroppy Klingon 2nd Officer Klag across the bridge to get the attention and respect of him and the rest of the crew )

When God felt the time was right to package himself in a softer way to more advanced peoples, he gave us Jesus who came not to abolish the OT wholesale, but to show us how to apply its rules with enlightened goodnatured commonsense.
And people quickly realised - "The covenant of Jesus is superior to the old one" (Heb 8:6-7)
Remember, Jesus saves, not the OT ..
Right Klag?

"Grrrr..."

Alright kiddies, sit up straight and pay attention; copy this into your exercise books....OOPS sorry, I thought for a minute I was giving a sunday school class..

SCHOOLS OUT FOREVER by Mick
People wonder why the Old Testament was so harsh. The answer is that God has never changed, but the way he had to package himself to get his message across HAS changed, he had to talk in harsh primitive OT terms to earlier harsh primitive peoples in their own "language" like a strict headteacher to get their attention.
"In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent" (Acts 17:30)
"The law brought us to Christ like a schoolmaster,but now through Christ we are not under that schoolmaster" (Gal 3:22-25)
(Likewise, when Ryker in Star Trek joined Klingon vessel Pagh on an exchange visit as 1st Officer he had to punch and throw stroppy Klingon 2nd Officer Klag across the bridge to get the attention and respect of him and the rest of the crew )

Then when God felt the time was right to package himself in a softer way to more advanced peoples, he gave us Jesus who came not to abolish the OT wholesale, but to show us how to apply its rules with enlightened goodnatured commonsense.
And people quickly realised - "The covenant of Jesus is superior to the old one" (Heb 8:6-7)Remember, Jesus saves, not the OT ..
Right Klag?

"Grrrr..."

Neologist said:As for my personal opinion of Easter, check here: http://able2know.org/topic/51066-1

Frank Apisa suggested: @RF- Maybe it is time for your brain diagnostic. There haven't been any red light turning up on your mental dashboard lately, have there?

The law has not changed, Frank. But we are no longer under its obligation, having been relieved by the New Covenant.

One example: The law required blood sacrifice. Jesus presented the ultimate blood sacrifice, thereby fulfilling that provision.

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Frank Apisa suggested: @RF- Maybe it is time for your brain diagnostic. There haven't been any red light turning up on your mental dashboard lately, have there?

Between you and me mate Oxford and Harvard can't wait to eagerly get their hands on my brain to display in a glass jar to astound students..
My brain in action-
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37P29WbYtwU&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

. . .So...at Leviticus 20:13, the god says to Moses, “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.”

You are no longer under an obligation to put them to death…but the fact remains that the god STILL CONSIDERS an act of homosexuality to be an abomination, right? . . .

Frank Apisa wrote:

. . .So...at Leviticus 20:13, the god says to Moses, “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.”

You are no longer under an obligation to put them to death…but the fact remains that the god STILL CONSIDERS an act of homosexuality to be an abomination, right? . . .

Right.
I'll get to slavery later

Frank Apisa said: So you are saying that the Old Testament god is important after all!
It just that he was kidding the people back then...acting like a boogeyman to scare the good folk into falling into line.
Gosh, I see. He didn't mean all that killing stuff...he was just putting on a tough face.
And Jesus was only kidding when he talked about the god he worshiped...and he was only kidding when he said he was not here to change one word of the Law (ya know, that stuff mentioned in Leviticus and Deuteronomy)...not one letter of one word...not one stroke of one letter.

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Frank Apisa said: So you are saying that the Old Testament god is important after all!
It just that he was kidding the people back then...acting like a boogeyman to scare the good folk into falling into line.
Gosh, I see. He didn't mean all that killing stuff...he was just putting on a tough face.
And Jesus was only kidding when he talked about the god he worshiped...and he was only kidding when he said he was not here to change one word of the Law (ya know, that stuff mentioned in Leviticus and Deuteronomy)...not one letter of one word...not one stroke of one letter.

The New T God is just as tough as he was in the OT, for example speaking through Jesus's mouth he called nonchristians-
"dogs, pigs. " (Matt 7:6)
"weeds" (Matt 13:38 )

And elsewhere the New T sings from the same song sheet-
"brute beasts," (2 Peter 2:12)
"liars" (1 John 2:22/23)
"defiled" (Titus 1:15)
"filthy" (Rev 22:11)

If you're an old time fundy religionist, of course you can stick with the Old T and go around killing gays, burning witches and owning slaves if you want to.
Call it a test, but I don't think Jesus would be too pleased and you'd flunk bigtime.
If people think the New T God is a soft touch they're in for a nasty surprise..
"How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot,....it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Heb 10:29-31)

Frank Apisa puzzled: So...is the god that Jesus worshiped important or not?

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Frank Apisa puzzled: So...is the god that Jesus worshiped important or not?

Aha, a philosophical Morris Dance wordplay riddle..
I've told you before mate, we holy men don't dance-
Jesus said:- "The world wants you to dance to its tune"(Matt 11:16)
You seem to think there's more than one God, but if you care to rephrase your question I'll try to answer, and with any luck you won't have to spend the rest of the day on the naughty step..

Frank Apisa said: You have understood the question right from the beginning. It is a tough question for people like you