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Perfect Government.

 
 
Logicus
 
Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 08:58 pm
What is the perfect government, and how could we get there? Is it possible for fallible creatures to form an infallible social system?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2013 03:23 am
This is a naïve question. Perfect from whose point of view? The Police? The military? Capitalists? Socialists? Racial or ethnic minorities? Religious fanatics? How old are you?
Logicus
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2013 06:28 pm
@Setanta,
From a totally objective view, I guess.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2013 06:33 pm
@Logicus,
So you perhaps wish to mean the most cost effective the most productive with least effort/work...you mean the Governement abiding by the best algorithm...one of these days government's will be reduced to apple or android apps. !
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2013 06:49 pm
Silly question. Perfection is not possible for anything like a social contract, which is what a government represents. And, as set has already pointed out, any answer would depend upon whose point of view we take in framing an answer. Perfect for whom? It can't possibly be perfect for leader and follower alike.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2013 06:57 pm
Maybe attempts to answer the question posed rather than ridiculing it might be more interesting.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2013 06:57 pm
@Logicus,
I believe that The Federation from Star Trek is the answer to your question.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2013 06:58 pm
@tsarstepan,
I think the Borg would give you an argument against that.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2013 07:03 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I take you think people are here to entertain you? Well, given the hilarious dreck you've posted over the years, i can see why you would want a little back.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2013 07:33 pm
@Logicus,
Logicus wrote:

What is the perfect government, and how could we get there? Is it possible for fallible creatures to form an infallible social system?


No, it's not at all remotely possible that fallible creatures will ever create an infallible social system, but you need to take that up with the Progressives as they're the only ones who might argue otherwise.

The "perfect" government is one that can effectively act to realize the true will of the governed.

Much worse governments are those that act to realize the will of those who govern, and the absolutely worse governments are those that act to realize the will of those who govern, but are able to convince the governed that it is all in their best interest.

Imagine yourself as a member of a totally isolated group of people who have grown in numbers to the point that some sort of governing agency seems to be required if all are, in some acceptable measure, to benefit from your society.

You all get together and agree upon one or more people to take on the task of governance. How would you expect them to govern? Would you accept one or more of them deciding that they knew better than you, and if they didn't have an army of armed soldiers to enforce their will, would you say to yourself "Well, they're pretty dammed smart so they must know a lot more than I do about what is good for me and my family?"

This isn't an issue of scale. The same parameters for governance at a very local level can be demanded of government at a national level. Those who would have it otherwise will tell you this isn't so, but it is.

It comes down to how much you trust people to do the right thing. If you have little trust then you need governance by the enlightened, and how they manage to herd the great unwashed into accepting enlightened results is A-OK.

The American Founders (vastly "smarter" than our current president) recognized that the more local the governance the better.

How perverse it is then that today the best we can expect from the knowledge of the governed as regards the governors is a laughably superficial understanding of who the president is and what the presidency is all about.

The American Empire is well into decline, and as it was with the Romans, the fault lies within.










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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2013 07:50 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

I take you think (sic) people are here to entertain you? Well, given the hilarious dreck you've posted over the years, i (sic) can see why you would want a little back.


Oh let us now give praise to The Boss.

He cuts through the swath of lesser opinions with a Wikipedia sharpened scythe of brilliance.

Maybe, if you are really, really lucky you'll post something with which he agrees or (more importantly) obsequiously declares him the A2K savant, and then he will deign to grant you recognition as a "Boss."

Hey, if The Boss says a thread is worthless, than it must be.

Right?

And if someone has the temerity to challenge his absurdly egoistic condemnations then guess what? The spitting viper spits.

If Pooch responds to this there is one thing you can be sure of: It will include some ridiculous reference to Straw Men, and invectives galore.

But he's The Boss, so all hail The Boss.


Kolyo
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 01:13 am
Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.
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Kolyo
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 01:39 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


Oh let us now give praise to The Boss.

... he's The Boss, so all hail The Boss.


If you love this thread so much, please do us all a fave and don't derail it with your whining...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 02:45 am
That Finn . . . ain't he just precious?
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