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Anybody up for boycotting Barilla Pasta?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 01:33 pm
@jcboy,
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Blackmailing? Really? That’s actually a silly statement. In the United States it's their first amendment right to protest their position and spend their money elsewhere.


Just like the keepers of the entertainment anti communism black list in the 1950s have a legal right to do so.

However neither are on firm moral ground at least in my opinion.

Second note an organization that get some of it funding by that kind of blackmailing might be open to a civil tort for interfering with business relationships by means of extortion

It might be fun for some conservative group to bankroll such a law suit and be able to subpoena their internal emails and other records at the very least.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 01:42 pm
@BillRM,
I would like to know what is the difference between gays shutting down StPete businesses that refuse to send checks to their political organizations and conservatives shutting down Texas businesses that dont send checks to the RNC? besides the obvious of course, which is that the Texas Conservatives practice more inclusion because they dont do it.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 01:49 pm
@jcboy,
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I’ve never heard that before. In fact in CA most gay bars hire straight bar tenders and strippers, less drama. Smart move.


A simple google search will find such firing happening as late as this year see that last quoted material dealing with CA however the one I was thinking of happen back in 1994 in Florida

Bet you could care less as long a gays are not being fired for being gay.

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http://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/10/us/seeking-all-gay-staff-bar-ousts-employees.html

Seeking All-Gay Staff, Bar Ousts Employees
Published: January 10, 1994

When the Late Show Night Club went gay, out went four barmaids who are not.

"It's the twist of all twists: a gay bar firing straight women," said Todd Simmons, spokesman for a statewide gay rights group that has taken up the barmaids' cause. "Sexual orientation has no bearing on your capacity to mix drinks or serve them. Discrimination is wrong whether it's directed against gays and lesbians or straights."

The women said that the lounge switched to a gay club two weeks before Christmas and that its owner, Audrey McGillivray, told them they were being dismissed because they are not gay and would not fit in.

The bar's manager, Lenny Credico, said that the club's patrons would be mostly gay men and that the customers would prefer being served by other gay men.

Mr. Simmons, a leader of the Human Rights Task Force of Florida, based in Tampa, helped steer the dismissed employees to a lawyer, Kay Morgan, who is planning a complaint with the Florida Human Rights Commission.



Let see here is a fine example of a decade later firing of straight employees.



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http://www.wehoville.com/2013/05/15/9-former-mickys-employees-sue-gay-bar-lawyer-goes-public-with-graphic-details/

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Krupnick reports that the straight employees were forced out of their jobs at Micky’s because management didn’t like having heterosexual employees. According to Krupnick, they were told when they started they’d be fine as long as they kept their heterosexuality a secret.



9 Former Micky’s Employees Sue Gay Bar; Lawyer Goes Public With Graphic Details
Wed, May 15 By James F. Mills 62 Comments
Micky's West Hollywood

Ahead of an October trial, the lawyer for nine former Micky’s employees has gone public about a lawsuit filed against the West Hollywood gay bar in July 2011.

The plaintiffs are charging the popular nightclub, known for its male strippers and go-go dancers, with civil rights violations, which include lewd conduct, creating a sexually hostile work environment, racial discrimination and discrimination against heterosexual employees, and labor code violations.

Matthew Krupnick, the lawyer who filed the lawsuit against West Hollywood Boys Town, Inc. (WHBT), owner of Micky’s, provided WEHOville photographic evidence of strippers performing in the nude, strippers openly displaying their penises and masturbating in front of patrons, a stripper walking around with semen on his face and chest, a patron using his finger to penetrate a stripper’s butt, a ring toss game involving a man’s penis and employees pouring shots of liquor down a stripper’s back while a patron licked it from the stripper’s butt.

The civil rights complaint filed under California’s Fair Employment and Housing Act (FEHA) contends that employees were forced to work in a sexually hostile environment because hardcore gay pornography played on big-screen TVs throughout the club during working hours. One of the plaintiffs alleges that his roommate was featured in a porn video.

“No one should be required to work in an environment with this going on all around them,” said Krupnick, an employment and personal injury attorney. “As a gay man who fights for the rights of LGBT people, to see gays in a position of such authority and ability abusing that authority and ability in the way the club is doing is offensive to me. I’m motivated to ensure this never happens again in our town.”

Micky’s did not return requests for comment.

The bar also is under state investigation for 14 counts of lewd conduct and two counts of giving away alcoholic beverages, according to the California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control (ABC).

The nine plaintiffs – all male, five gay and four straight – worked as bartenders, a security guard and a manager. Two female employees were also initially involved in the suit before dropping out.

Krupnick reports that the straight employees were forced out of their jobs at Micky’s because management didn’t like having heterosexual employees. According to Krupnick, they were told when they started they’d be fine as long as they kept their heterosexuality a secret.

One black employee and one bi-racial employee, both gay, say they were fired because Micky’s owner Michael Niemeyer, didn’t want African-Americans working there. One employee was accused of stealing and exhibiting a “West Hollywood attitude,” according to the lawsuit.

The alleged labor code violations include employees not being given the state-required meal and 10-minute breaks during an eight-hour shift and management falsifying time cards and wrongful termination.

This is not the first lawsuit involving labor code violations filed against Micky’s. Since 2000, the bar has been sued 11 times (not including the current case). Eight of the lawsuits were dismissed. In two, the judges did not award the plaintiff’s any money. In one, Micky’s had to pay a promoter $1,082.

“What differs about this lawsuit is the quantity of people,” said Krupnick who added that all of the plaintiffs approached him about representation.

The lawsuit was initially filed as two separate cases (the four straight employees had a separate suit). Krupnick said Micky’s filed a motion in January 2012 to consolidate the two lawsuits into one.

Another motion to transfer the case from downtown Los Angeles to Santa Monica was denied. Judge Elizabeth Allen White will preside over the case, which is expected to last 20 days.

Krupnick said he did enter into private mediation with the plaintiffs, which resulted in a settlement offer of less than $100,000.

“My clients respectfully declined that offer,” said Krupnick, who believes the case could carry a $15 million verdict, if not higher, depending on the punitive damages the jury awards.

According to Krupnick, the jury will decide on each case individually, meaning each plaintiff could be awarded a different amount if Micky’s is found liable.

“It’s not OK what’s happening there,” said Krupnick. “The lewd conduct is still going on down there. You can walk by and see it happening from the sidewalk. Why aren’t people talking about what’s going on at Micky’s?”

A longtime fixture on the West Hollywood gay club scene, Micky’s closed in August 2007 after an electrical fire. A rebuilt two-story Micky’s reopened in April 2009. That year, the Micky’s entry in the annual gay pride parade was go-go dancers riding on a fire truck with an accompanying banner reading “Flaming Gay Bar.”

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 01:57 pm
@BillRM,
the courts last month just tamped down on businesses right to fire based upon business culture when tbey ruled that Abercrombie could not fire a female who insisted on wearing a muslim head scarf. we are not too far away from Hooters getting sued for not hiring a girl because her tits are too small. as a business man I have issues with the courts taking away my ability to set the culture in my place, given that profitability is highly dependent upon me giving the customers the experience that they want.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
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did you notice how the St Pete fags decided what they thought would be fair terms for the business owner...

That you intentionally choose to use a demeaning and derogatory term to refer to gays reflects an attitude on your part that is considerably more offensive than anything Guido Barilla said or implied about homosexuals.
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there is zero difference between that and the mob walking in to a place and putting a gun to the head and dictating terms. the difference is only that most of the mob has been placed in jails...

If your post, and identity, became known, along with the identity of your restaurant, and your response was, "If gays don't like my language, or the way I talk about them, they can eat elsewhere," what would you expect the response to be? Would you think they'd want to continue eat at your restaurant? Would it be a mob tactic for them to call for a boycott of an establishment that regards them in an offensive and demeaning manner? Why on earth would they want to continue putting their money into your pocket?

Quite honestly, if someone called for a boycott of your restaurant, I'd gladly support that. I don't think that anything Guido Barilla said was that egregious, he's trying to cling to the "traditional", to the more familiar notion of family, in a time of social change, but that's not really insulting to anyone, he's just more comfortable with what he knows. Your comments, on the other hand, reflect the true bigotry that promotes hatred and degradation of a group just as surely as if you had said, "If niggers don't like the way I talk, they can eat elsewhere."

And you have used the word "niggers" elsewhere at A2K, ostensibly to prove how non-PC you are. You don't get it--it's not about being "PC" because that's fashionable, it's about not being deliberately offensive and insulting, and about not using speech that not only hurts other people's sensibilities and feelings, but speech that's harmful because of the consequences such demeaning terms can have in terms of perpetuating bigotry and hatred.

At least Guido Barilla made his comments in an open way, where they could be identified with him and his company. Yours are made under the coward's cloak of anonymity. Would you have the guts to reveal the name and location of your restaurant, so that those familiar with your remarks can decide whether they want to patronize your restaurant or boycott it?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:02 pm
@firefly,
that's just part of his being a socialist.


as I recall, nasty old uncle adolph considered hisself a socialist too...
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:07 pm
@firefly,
my use of offensive language is intended to be like me proudly lighting up a stoggie now and then, a statement to the morality police who claim the right to dictate my choices of behaviour. I no more have a dislike of gays then I have a liking for smoking tobacco. this is consistant with my offense of your purposefully mis-using language in the attempt to win arguments....if our language is allowed to be corrupted then we will never be able to identify or solve problems. I have bigger fish to fry then then keeping the queasy happy or keeping the self esteem of some minority group up.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
as long as it's here and anonymous.

wouldn't want any nasty real world repurcussions to interfere with your "big macho asshole" fantasy...
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:10 pm
@hawkeye10,
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my use of offensive language is intended to be like me proudly lighting up a stoggie now and then, a statement to the morality police who claim the right to dictate my choices of behavior...

If you're so proud of your use of offensive language, then tell us the name and location of your restaurant.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye the government is not likely to give Hooters a hard time since hooters make them look like fools in 1995 over the question of hiring male servers.

Having bill boards along highways showing a hairy guy in one of their outfit with the words Washington get a grip.


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jcboy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:12 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

a statement to the morality police who claim the right to dictate my choices of behaviour.

Then why do you even bother to try and dictate someone else’s choice? Hypocrite.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:13 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

as long as it's here and anonymous.

wouldn't want any nasty real world repurcussions to interfere with your "big macho asshole" fantasy...

society is better off if there are places where we can speak freely. Robert has in A2K provided a very valuable service. Small minded intolerant people like you might kill it, but a guy can hope.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
I think it will be impossible for you to show me as either small minded or intolerant.

I simply see you for the fake intellectual you project yourself as...

you remind me of the unibomber.

(except he was intelligent. and actually acted on his paranoia)
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:16 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
my use of offensive language is intended to be like me proudly lighting up a stoggie now and then, a statement to the morality police who claim the right to dictate my choices of behavior...

If you're so proud of your use of offensive language, then tell us the name and location of your restaurant.

the collective is not currently enlightened enough to stomach as much truth as I wish to speak. We are living in dark times, and thus we all must be mindful of the threats around us.
Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:18 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
as I recall, nasty old uncle adolph considered hisself a socialist too...

You recall falsely, but thanks for triggering Goodwin's Law.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
and now back to the thread topic, I tire of talking about me.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:19 pm
@Thomas,
gungasnark woulda been in here quoting him sooner or later anyways, Tom...
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

you never ever tire of talking about you.

the rest of us are sick to death of it...
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:21 pm
@jcboy,
jcboy wrote:
Blackmailing? Really? That’s actually a silly statement. In the United States it's their first amendment right to protest their position and spend their money elsewhere.

Although I disagree with you on Barilla, I agree with you on this point. Declining to spend your money on someone who wants it is not blackmail. Not even close.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 02:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye is it not mildly interesting that Firefly the one person that have reveal nothing about herself on this website after postings tens of thousands of posts over the years is calling for you to place yourself in harm way by listing your business address.
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