Have you got a letter from R Redford about Bush/environment?

babs, Here's a link to a New York Times article I read today that relates to your concerns:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/03/national/03FORE.html

Yes Macsm11.. but I fear that this is
only one of many such things happening across our
country - that we are at all aware of. I think the Bush
administration stinks and wish we could have him shot
for treason to his own country and constituents. From
the gist of the letter I received in a mailing - it seems
that Bush is planning to take many such wildland areas
and have them cut for timber,& all for their family's greed,
and all BEHIND the backs of Americans who are genuinely
in terror of terrorism, so that they are too preoccupied to
see what Bush & family are really up to.

None of it is surprising. We knew that all of this war talk was covering up something else. Just didn't know what.

What do you think of Robert Redford for President?
We need some new blood, a non-politician, someone to come in and really shake things up. I'm hoping someone like this will step up to the plate. Any ideas?

Oprah?

I think that Robert Redford is a fine actor, and a great guy. Nevertheless, I don't think that ANYONE who has never held a public office, should run for President. There is just too much to absorb, and if you are totally new to the way that government works, the learning curve would just be too steep.

If he WERE interested, which I don't think he is, he should start by running for either Governor, Senator, or Representative, and get some experience under his belt. By that time he would probably too old!

Well, Reagan was 70 when he was elected the first time. Redford's only 65, but he better get going if he wants to start a political career!

macsm11- But Reagan had exerience under his belt as a Governor.

Oh, absolutely I agree with you that experience should be a requirement for the job.

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Phoenix:

If you aren't aware of the accomplishments made by Robert Redford in his adult lifetime, you should visit The Sundance Insitute. Redford's accomplished far more in his work through the Institute than Reagen ever could even perceive of both accomplishing and pursuing, and, same when compared to Bush, Jr. and Sr., for that matter.

Redford's already spoken out very clearly that he's not going to run for a public office, and, most regard him as far more capable and accomplished, by comparison, with the work he's managed to accomplish on his own initiative.

Which I find a shame, because, if anyone could administrate and rally a Nation (ours), it would be Robert Redford. I'd vote for him in a minute, without hesitation.

Imagine the possibilities, with Redford and Oprah.

Robert Redford created this from clear acreage and a camp site:

The Sundance Institute, now widely popular the whole year 'round with people from all over the world, all seeking greater understandings about one another.

The following says it all about Bush:

Bush Speaks

"You're back here with my people. You're back here with the tequila drinkers, yeah.
What you need is to go up there and make a little whoopee with the tequila drinkers,
get to know them better." - G.W. Bush from Journeys With George by Alexandra Pelosi,
debuted on HBO Nov. 5, 2002

"When I was coming up it was a dangerous world, and we knew exactly who the they
were. It was us versus them, and it was clear who them was." - G.W. Bush from
Journeys With George by Alexandra Pelosi, debuted on HBO Nov. 5, 2002

"I can't hear you because I can't see." - G.W. Bush from Journeys With George by
Alexandra Pelosi, debuted on HBO Nov. 5, 2002

"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, it's probably in Tennessee
--that says, fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me ... You can't get fooled
again." - G.W. Bush quoted by the Baltimore Sun - Oct 6, 2002

"We need to understand if you let kindling build up and there's a lightning strike,
you're going get yourself a big fire," - G.W. Bush in a lame attempt to make deforestation
look like a way to stop forest fires, - Aug 22, 2002

"I know in the fall of an election year, the tendency is to focus more on scoring
political points than on making progress." - G.W. Bush after a golf game with Bush Sr.
and just before going on a massive, multi-state, GOP fundraising campaign. Kennebunkport, Maine. -August 3rd, 2002

"Sometimes things aren't exactly black and white when it comes to accounting
procedures ... I still haven't figured it out completely." - Bush when asked for details
about his dealings with Harken Energy Corp., of which he was on the audit committee. G.W. Bush's father was in office in 1990 when he sold his Harken stock and the SEC did not pursue a case. -July 8th, 2002

"Do you have blacks too?" - Bush ignorantly asked Brazil's President Fernando Henrique
Cardoso. Reported by the reputable German publication Der Spiegel. Rumor has it, Condoleza Rice interupted the president and explained in brief the African history in Brazil.

"Washington is unfortunately the kind of place where second-guessing has become
second nature," - G.W. Bush responding to suggestions he had warnings of September 11th
before the attacks. Washington D.C., May 17th, 2002

"After all, a week ago, there were -- Yasser Arafat was boarded up in his building in
Ramallah, a building full of, evidently, German peace protestors and all kinds of
people. They're now out. He's now free to show leadership, to lead the world." - G.W.
Bush. Washington D.C., May 2nd, 2002

"This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating." - G.W. Bush as quoted by the New York
Daily News, April 23rd, 2002

"I've got a tool, and that's called a veto" - G.W. Bush regarding working with congress
on the budget. Washington Post, April 17th, 2002

"And so, in my State of the -- my State of the Union -- or state -- my speech to the
nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation -- I asked Americans to give
4,000 years --4,000 hours over the next -- the rest of your life -- of service to America." --- G.W. Bush. April 9th, 2002. Reported by the San Francisco Gate (among others)

"I made up my mind that Saddam needs to go,"- G.W. Bush to British Prime Minister,
Tony Blair, April 5th, 2002

"Sometimes when I sleep at night I think of 'Hop on Pop."- G.W. Bush speaking on
educating children, April 2nd, 2002

"There's nothing more deep than recognizing Israel's right to exist. That's the most
deep thought of all. ... I can't think of anything more deep than that right."-March 13th,
2000, Washington, D.C.

"I understand that the unrest in the Middle East creates unrest throughout the
region."-March 13th, 2000, Washington, D.C.

"{waves hello}"- G.W. Bush waves to the blind musician, Stevie Wonder, as reported by the Washington Post, March 6th, 2002

"It also makes sense for New York State to have a governor whose phone calls will be
returned from the White House." -February 2002, at a fundraiser for New York's
Republican governor, George Pataki.

"It's an encroachment on the executive branch's ability to conduct business,"
--Regarding Enron, January 28th, 2002

"Mother, I should have listened to you. Always chew your pretzels before you
swallow." --January 14th, 2002

"Not over my dead body will they raise your taxes!" --January 11th, 2002

"This is not an instant gratification war" --November 2nd, 2001

"I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and
airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan airport." --October 3rd, 2001 at Reagan
International Airport in Washington, D.C.

"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and
hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."--September 19th, 2001

''I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I
believe--I believe what I believe is right."--Rome, July 22, 2001

"It's my honor to speak to you as the leader of your country. And the great thing
about America is you don't have to listen unless you want to." -- Speaking to recently
sworn in immigrants on Ellis Island, July 10, 2001

"Well, it's an unimaginable honor to be the president during the Fourth of July of this
country. It means what these words say, for starters. The great inalienable rights of
our country. We're blessed with such values in America. And I--it's--I'm a proud man
to be the nation based upon such wonderful values."--Visiting the Jefferson Memorial,
Washington, D.C., July 2, 2001

"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that
suffers from incredible disease."--Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

''I had no idea we had so many weapons, ...what do we need them for?'' -- George W.
Bush, stunned when told the extent of the U.S. nuclear arsenal, Newsweek, June 25, 2001

"If a person doesn't have the capacity that we all want that person to have, I suspect
hope is in the far distant future, if at all."--Remarks to the Hispanic Scholarship Fund
Institute, Washington, D.C., May 22, 2001

"For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks,
this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do
something about it."--Philadelphia, May 14, 2001

"There's no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon
were getting nearly directly overhead." - Washington, D.C., May 11, 2001

"It's a school full of so-called at-risk children. It's how we, unfortunately, label certain
children. It means basically they can't learn. ... It's one of the best schools in
Houston." --George W. Bush speaking about KIPP Academy in Houston, Texas.

"Whatever it took to help Taiwan defend theirself."--On how far we'd be willing to go to
defend Taiwan, Good Morning America, April 25, 2001

"First, we would not accept a treaty that would not have been ratified, nor a treaty that
I thought made sense for the country." --George W. Bush, on the Kyoto accord, April
24, 2001
"I've coined new words, like, misunderstanding and Hispanically." --George W. Bush,
who meant to say "misunderestimated"

"They misunderestimated me."--Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."--Greater Nashua, N.H.,
Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."-Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

"The great thing about America is everybody should vote."-Austin, Texas, Dec. 8, 2000

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."--Reuters, May 5, 2000

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"-Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"I understand small business growth. I was one."-New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000

"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case."-Pella, Iowa, as
quoted by the San Antonio Express-News, Jan. 30, 2000

"It's important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It's not only life of
babies, but it's life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the
Internet."--Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000

"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I
can't answer your question."--Reynoldsburg, Ohio, Oct. 4, 2000

"Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because it is a
product that we can find in our neighborhoods."--Austin, Texas, Dec. 20, 2000

"The senator [McCain] has got to understand if he's going to have--he can't have it
both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road."--To reporters in
Florence, S.C., Feb. 17, 2000

"We ought to make the pie higher."--South Carolina Republican Debate, Feb. 15, 2000

"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of
federal program."--Debate in St. Charles, Mo., Nov. 2, 2000

"It's your money. You paid for it."--LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

"It's not the governor's role to decide who goes to heaven. I believe that God decides
who goes to heaven, not George W. Bush." -- George W. Bush, in the Houston Chronicle.

"There ought to be limits to freedom. We're aware of this [web] site, and this guy is
just a garbage man, that's all he is." --George Jr., discussing a web site that parodies him
(YIKES!)

"I'm a uniter not a divider. That means when it comes time to sew up your chest
cavity, we use stitches as opposed to opening it up." -- Bush, on David Letterman, March
2, 2000. (the audience booed)

"I didn't -- I swear I didn't -- get into politics to feather my nest or feather my friends'
nests." --George W. Bush in the Houston Chronicle

"You ******* son of a bitch. I saw what you wrote. We're not going to forget this."
--George W. Bush to writer and editor Al Hunt, in front of his wife and kids, 1988

Any questions? c.i.

He's an idiot. But who will defeat him in 2004?

eoe, What is more scary is that Americans vote him the Man of the Year, and his popularity rating is the highest of any president. Go figure. I can't. c.i.

Me either, c.i.

The "Popularity Factor" and Considering Who Was Po


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Bush, Jr.'s "popularity factor," is from polling among, predominantly, Republicans and those not registered as Democrats, and from within areas that receive particular focus from Republican Party financial contributors.

So, yes, among those sorts of people, Bush, Jr. is "popular."

I always read those poll results, unless they're bipartisan polls that make clear just what demographic they've actually consulted in their polling process (most don't), with a huge grain of salt.

Like, yes, Republicans find Bush, Jr. "popular," for most of the very reasons that the majority of the rest of us Americans find him to be implausible, at best.

And, the polls consult most in the military, which is going to "go" with the popularity factor thing about Bush, Jr., based upon the indoctrination of the military to "follow the leader" (it's a process of service).

More war equates with increased funding, too, to the military, and, also, there's a huge effort in many religious meetings to encourage attendees to vote for and "find popular," Bush, Jr.

Both of which processes I find unpleasant, if not unacceptable, but, again, I'm a Democrat. I support a strong and well supported armed forces, as I do faith practices, but these areas within our society are being used as brewing grounds by the Republican Party; as to the military, especially, there's a concerted effort to capitalize upon the service personnel's obligation to serve the "Commander in Chief" without question or delay, and, in our present skewed times with Bush, Jr. and related, I, actually, feel sorry for the military. Who just can't not support him, simply because he was sworn in.

Hums, You make the claim that the polls are predominantly Republican strongholds, but where did you get that fact? c.i.

Pollsters, themselves. Much discussion, elsewhere, about Zogby, particularly, along with the other "popular" pollster, Harris. Both, Republican contributors.

How about them polls by CNN, ABC, and the Washington Post? c.i.