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President Obama Hits The PAUSE Button On Syria

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 12:45 pm
@JPB,
The truth behind the 1991 Gulf War invasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Ne9V8BCXI

American Gulf War Veterans Association

www.gulfwarvets.com
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 12:50 pm
@rosborne979,
What are you two babbling about? Getting approval from Congress means nothing. You're telling us that everything Hitler did was legal and justified because it was approved by the German equivalent of Congress.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:00 pm
@Thomas,
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I think of America as a powerful country whose elites are idealistic, mostly ignorant about the rest of the world, and in enthusiastic pursuit of policies that sound good at the time they conceive them, but in the end create bigger messes than abstinence would have. As they say, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" --- and America's foreign policy keeps paving it.


I can understand that you would want to take such a position, Thomas, but the facts and the historical record simply do not support your feelings.

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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:04 pm
@revelette,
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Or else continue to do nothing at all while the Assad regime keeps killing Syrian civilians like he has been for years while the world (and the US) just continues to watch.


You've never given a reasonable response, Rev, for why y'all get your panties in a bunch when it's someone else who does these evil things but you're all completely silent when the US does much worse things.

It's truly a riddle.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:06 pm
@panzade,
It's a tossup as to which one of them would flee faster, Pan.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:20 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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but let's be honest, you wouldn't want the US to play internation policeman


That's gross dishonesty right there, Finn. The US - international policeman - completely ludicrous.

Show one situation where that was actually the case.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:20 pm
@oralloy,
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The connection is this: When evil dictators believe they will be punished for using nerve gas against civilians, they will be less likely to do so.


There's just no stopping the propaganda, is there, Oralboy?

"If we can cultivate in the world the idea that aggressive war-making is the way to the prisoner's dock rather than the way to honors, we will have accomplished something toward making the peace more secure."

Robert H Jackson
Opening Address to the International Military Tribunal at the Nuremberg Trials (November 10, 1945).

"We must never forget that the record on which we judge these defendants is the record on which history will judge us tomorrow. To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well."

Robert H Jackson
Nuremberg Tribunal.
Opening Address to the International Military Tribunal at the Nuremberg Trials (November 10, 1945).
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:32 pm
@revelette,
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For what reason then did we go into Kosovo?


Thomas:
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That was a violation of international law, too.


Not gonna touch that one with a ten foot pole, are you, Rev?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 01:40 pm
@revelette,
The short answer is: my gut. My gut has been pretty correct in my lifetime.

A longer answer is it's a show of force to a region that is sick of us, a show that would be unlikely to somehow curb Assad if it was through Assad that the chemicals were used and will stir up a beehive to it all being about us again.

We're so easy at saying send in the missiles/drones/bombs. If the shoe was on the other foot, we wouldn't like it.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:10 pm
@ossobuco,
I am sure that our Arab allies will back us by letting us use their territory to fire our cruise missiles. No? Than dont fire any of them from any place else. If their not interested why should we be. Too often weve gone out on our own only to have so called allies shaking their fingers at us disclaiming shammy shammy bad U S of A. Its world politics which are just as bad as U S of A politics. Bush was an idiot which I hope Obama is not. If we cant get a collection of countries to back us than back off. Just the threat may do the job. If the Syrians are idiot enough to do this again than jump on them with both feet.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 03:27 pm
@RABEL222,
Other than Jordan which has ruled itself out, the nearest missile base is Turkey, which, as I'm sure you'll know, is not Arab.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 08:33 pm
@Foofie,
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Just being candid.


You're not being candid, Foofie, you're being foofie.

You are making the lamest excuses I've ever heard trying to cover for the evil the US has done. You are lying to yourself and everyone else.

You can't talk about you and the US and use the word 'moral'. That word cannot coexist with a rank apologist for war criminals and terrorists.

What you are doing here is the equivalent of someone denying the Holocaust.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 09:10 pm
@JPB,
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Iraq was a mistake (imo), Kuwait was not.


It's in the Congressional Record and people are still ignorant of the war crime that was Kuwait and that Kuwait precipitated.

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Ron Paul Enters Evidence of Bush War Crimes in Congressional Record
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
February 4, 2011

Rep. Ron Paul read the text below into the Congressional Record earlier this year. Paul's statement provides additional evidence to the established fact the globalist, bonesman, and former CIA director George Bush Senior duped Saddam Hussein, exploited his dispute with Kuwait -- accusing Kuwait of slant drilling its oil -- and gave Hussein a green light to attack Kuwait.

From the Congressional Record, January 26, 2011, Page H503. It was posted on the Veterans Today website.

"The SPEAKER pro tempore.

Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Paul) is recognized for 5 minutes.

Mr. PAUL. Mr. Speaker, how did the 20-year war get started?

It had been long assumed that the United States Government, shortly before Iraq invaded Kuwait in August of 1990, gave Saddam Hussein a green light to attack. A State Department cable recently published by WikiLeaks confirmed that U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie did indeed have a conversation with Saddam Hussein one week prior to Iraq's August 1, 1990, invasion of Kuwait.

Amazingly, the released cable was entitled, "Saddam's Message of Friendship to President Bush." (published below)

In it, Ambassador Glaspie affirmed to Saddam that "the President had instructed her to broaden and deepen our relations with Iraq." As Saddam Hussein outlined Iraq's ongoing border dispute with Kuwait, Ambassador Glaspie was quite clear that, "we took no position on these Arab affairs."

There would have been no reason for Saddam Hussein not to take this assurance at face value. The U.S. was quite supportive of his invasion and war of aggression against Iran in the 1980s. With this approval from the U.S. Government, it wasn't surprising that the invasion occurred. The shock and surprise was how quickly the tables were turned and our friend, Saddam Hussein, all of a sudden became Hitler personified.

The document was classified, supposedly to protect national security, yet this information in no way jeopardized our security. Instead, it served to keep the truth from the American people about an event leading up to our initial military involvement in Iraq and the region that continues to today.

{time} 1440

The secrecy of the memo was designed to hide the truth from the American people and keep our government from being embarrassed. This was the initial event that had led to so much death and destruction--not to mention the financial costs--these past 20 years.
....

Historian Mark Zepezauer notes that the equipment to slant drill Iraq's oil illegally was bought from National Security Council chief Brent Scowcroft's old company. Kuwait was pumping out around $14-billion worth of oil from beneath Iraqi territory. "Even the territory they were drilling from had originally been Iraq's. Slant-drilling is enough to get you shot in Texas, and it's certainly enough to start a war in the Mideast," writes Zepezauer.

Iraq invaded Kuwait after it broke off negotiations.

Bush and the United Nations ordered the systematic destruction of facilities essential to civilian life and economic productivity throughout Iraq on January 16, 1991, at 6:30 p.m. EST.

Bush ordered 110,000 air sorties against Iraq, dropping 88,000 tons of bombs, nearly seven times the equivalent of the atomic bomb that destroyed Hiroshima, according to a report sent to the Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes Tribunal.

"The intention and effort of the bombing of civilian life and facilities was to systematically destroy Iraq's infrastructure leaving it in a preindustrial condition. Iraq's civilian population was dependent on industrial capacities," Ramsey Clarke and others wrote in 1992. "The U.S. assault left Iraq in a near apocalyptic condition as reported by the first United Nations observers after the war."

The invasion, enforced blockade of Iraq and the international sanctions which decimated the war-ravaged country for over a decade prepared the people of Iraq for the transformation their modern state into a hellhole now wracked by sectarian violence.

Over 500,000 people were slaughtered in Bush's war. Between 1991 and 1998, there were 500,000 deaths among Iraqi children under five years of age due to brutal sanctions imposed by the United States and the United Nations. "If you include adults, the figure is now almost certainly well over a million," Hans Von Sponeck said. Sponeck was a UN Assistant Secretary-General and UN Humanitarian Coordinator for Iraq.

READ ON AT,

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-enters-evidence-of-bush-war-crimes-in-congressional-record/
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 09:18 pm
@JTT,
1991 Highway of Death Bombed by Allied Bombers during Gulf War

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLuY8IVdU2Q

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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Sep, 2013 09:21 pm
@JTT,
Evil Incarnate.

Middle East- General Schwarzkopf Inspects the Highway of Death

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT8isJaSUFU
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Reply Sat 7 Sep, 2013 07:00 pm
@izzythepush,
Turkey even refused to let GW Bush use their country as a base for $4 billion dollars.
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