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Wait.. What? Sabotage at Cern, from the future?

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Cyracuz
 
Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 04:47 am
I really don't know what to make of this. According to some physicists, the Higgs boson, upon coming into existence in the LHC, reaches back in time to prevent itself from coming into existence. Erm.. what? Admittedly, even the guys who proposed this theory advise skepticism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all&
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timur
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 04:55 am
Old news..

Further history showed it was bollocks.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 05:03 am
@timur,
Ye, I saw that it wasn't exactly fresh. But I found no followup.
timur
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 05:14 am
@Cyracuz,
A bit more recent news and interesting to read:

Why the Higgs boson discovery changes everything.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 06:52 am
@timur,
Yes indeed. Thanks Smile
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 05:42 am
@timur,
I found this paragraph to be highly informative, at least to me:
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The Higgs particle tells us something very basic and fundamental about why we’re here. It is evidence of the Higgs field, an invisible force field that stretches across the universe, encasing us like a Jell-O mould, and giving mass to elementary particles within it: the stuff that makes up stars, planets, trees, buildings, animals and all of us. Without mass, electrons, protons and neutrons wouldn’t stick together to make atoms; atoms wouldn’t make molecules; none of us would exist.
Emphasis mine.
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timur
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 06:07 am
I've yet to see visible force fields...
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 06:15 am
@timur,
timur wrote:
I've yet to see visible force fields...
That would be a wall.
timur
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 06:19 am
@neologist,
You certainly know that a wall is the result of force fields not the force fields themselves..
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 08:49 am
@timur,
This distintion between causes n effects assumes time as fundamental...its getting boring...but tbe argument I am making does not help either the idea and belief a great mind is behind it all...structures can be mindless n need not assume time as an essential feature of the world...simpler less complicated explanations make far more sense.
timur
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 11:00 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:
less complicated explanations make far more sense.


In old times it was called Lex Parsimoniae..
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