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Paula Dean Fired By Food Network Over Racial Slur

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 06:10 pm
@firefly,
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he Food Network has pulled Deen's shows, which were scheduled to air, from their line-up.


One wonder what business school these jokers went to as after outraging their own customers instead of trying to at least soft pedal their actions they double up.

In the mean time Dean even released a nice statement concerning them!!!!!!

Too bad they are not a public traded company as with that kind of management anyone shorting their shares would be looking at a windfall.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 06:25 pm
@firefly,
Interesting the New York Time found long lines and some reporter name Raphael Brion who you did not give who paper he work for found otherwise.

A website by the name of eater national at eater.com surely a news outlet that is of the standard of the NYT any day of the week.

Oh you did have the link at the bottom of your posting. I wonder why you did that Firelfy?

Could it be that this blog or whatever it is have other articles that sound like you had written them concerning the lady?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 06:38 pm
@BillRM,

Their Savannah restaurant is not hurting either,

http://cmsimg.thenorthwestern.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=U0&Date=20130622&Category=OSH0101&ArtNo=306220300&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Paula-Deen-fans-vent-their-outrage-Food-Network

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crowd gathers at lunchtime outside the Lady & Sons restaurant owned by celebrity cook Paul Deen in Savannah, Ga., on Thursday, June 20, 2013. Deen's admission in a recent court case that she used racial slurs in the past has put the Food Network star on the defensive. Fans eating at Deen's restaurant said they're willing to stand by her. (AP Photo/Russ Bynum) / AP





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http://www.thenorthwestern.com/viewart/20130622/OSH0101/306220300/Paula-Deen-fans-vent-their-outrage-at-Food-Network?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

On Saturday, the controversy didn’t keep customers from The Lady & Sons, the restaurant owned by Deen and her sons in Savannah’s downtown historic district.

“If you look at her restaurant here, I don’t think it’s going to hurt her too much,” said Felipe Alexander, an Atlanta trucking company owner, as he waited on the sidewalk for his lunchtime reservation. He also said he didn’t blame the Food Network for cutting Deen loose.

“If the network didn’t want to be associated with somebody who used that word, it has the right to
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 07:48 pm
The future of Deen's magazine is now uncertain...
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Future of Paula Deen's magazine, produced by Birmingham-based publisher, uncertain
By Jon Reed
June 21, 2013

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama -- The fate of Paula Deen's magazine, Cooking with Paula Deen, is still up in the air after a controversy over the Food Network host's use of racial epithets led to the end of her television contract.

"We are not in a position to discuss her magazine and contract right now," said Phyllis Hoffman DePiano, the president of Birmingham-based Hoffman Media, which produces the magazine. "A statement will be forthcoming later."

"We at Hoffman Media do not condone discrimination of any kind," DePiano said.

http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2013/06/future_of_paula_deens_magazine.html#incart_river_default
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 08:05 pm
@firefly,
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"We at Hoffman Media do not condone discrimination of any kind," DePiano said.


Except when it come to older white southern women...........LOL

Footnote one hell of a lot of the people on the Food network facebook page are stating that they are canceling their subscriptions to the food network magazine. So what magazine is going to end up going belly up first?

It should be interesting in any case to see it the PC police win or the sheer economic power of the lady hundreds of thousands of supporters and customers win.

My bet is that it will be the economic force not the PC police and if one firm do not wish to carry her magazine there will be plenty of others that will step in and do so as long as there are people who are interested in it.

This look like it going to be the biggest defeat of the pc police in a generation and all over a southern cook. Life is strange indeed.

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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 08:08 pm
@BillRM,
Amazing how quickly things change.

Thursday good.
Friday good.
Saturday goodish.
Sunday crap.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 08:26 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Amazing how quickly things change.

Thursday good.
Friday good.
Saturday goodish.
Sunday crap.


If you mean base on a report from a blog that from reading it had a hard on against the lady I would not count my closing restaurants just yet.

Somehow my money is on the little old southern woman to kick ass and take names of the PC police.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 08:48 pm
@BillRM,
You need to keep on the news.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 09:13 pm
@ehBeth,
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You need to keep on the news.


As I said my money is on the little old southern girl.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jun, 2013 10:00 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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You need to keep on the news.


As I said my money is on the little old southern girl.

retire or fall on her sword, be the poster child for the reformed southern rebel, them be the choices.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 05:35 am
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http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/24/viewpoint-give-paula-deen-back-her-job/?iid=tsmodule

Viewpoint: The Food Network Should Give Paula Deen Back Her Job

People of her generation can neither change the past, nor completely escape their roots in it

By John McWhorter June 24, 20138 Comments


Follow @TIMEIdeas
Paula Deen grew up in Georgia. In the fifties. Her world was the one depicted in The Help, in which black people’s status as lesser beings was casually assumed. So, who is really surprised that she has used the N-word in her life? It would be downright strange if she hadn’t, and we can assume the same of pretty much any white Southerner of a certain age (not to mention more than a few Americans of other regions).

And yet the Food Network has fired her after revelations that Deen has been a normal person of her time and place. Even though she has levelled no fewer than three public apologies. The reason is the unique status of the N-word.

(MORE: Paula Deen Begs for Your Forgiveness, For Something)

In modern America, we really have only a few genuinely profane words, and the N-word is one of them. Sure, we call a certain suite of four-letter words profanity, and they once were. However, they are now used so freely by most that they qualify more as salty. A Martian, hearing our “bad words” decorating our hit songs, tossed off in movies, used in a hit parody children’s book like “Go the F—k to Sleep,” and sprinkled into ordinary conversation, would never even think to describe these words as “bad.”

Yet we do have words we treat as truly unthinkable. They are no longer about excretion or sexual intercourse or religion, but about disrespecting groups of people. One begins with F; another begins with C.

The third is the N-word. Even the sassiest comedy shows refrain from tossing it around. We shudder at the thought of our children using it. And, we regularly watch celebrities treated as if they were lepers for saying it – comedian Michael Richards in 2006 – or even saying it to refer to it, like Dr. Laura in 2010.

(MORE: Can Whites Say the N-Word?)

This taboo status, then, is why Deen is being fired for what her fans are decrying as “just using a word,” and also why Deen in her videos steps around even saying what she said. Yet this restraint on her part is also an indication that she, like most Americans, has gotten the message. Crucially, getting the message doesn’t mean becoming superhuman. Changing times cannot utterly expunge all traces in her of the old South’s assumptions. Old habits of thought linger, like excema and asthma.

So yes, she just might pop out with the N-word in private in a heated moment. And yes, a certain part of her will see something vaguely nostalgic in the sight of black men as waiters. In this, she represents a transitional stage between the then and the now. Deen was already a twenty-something when the old racist order broke down; her world view had pretty much jelled. How could she have a perfectly egalitarian take on race growing up when and where she did?

(MORE: Viewpoint: Leave Ben Carson Alone)

People of Deen’s generation can neither change the past nor completely escape their roots in it, anymore than the rest of us. They can apologize and mean it, as Deen seems to. They also deserve credit for owning up to past sins, as Deen did candidly when she could easily have, shall we say, whitewashed the matter.

The taboo on the N-word, and associated attitudes, is appropriate. It’s certainly smarter than the goofiness of the 1800s when the terms white and dark meat emerged to avoid the possible sexual connotations of referring to breasts and thighs. However, we’re less smart when we turn taboo enforcement into implacable witch hunting, which is not thought but sport.

Deen is old and she’s sorry. She should get her job back.


John McWhorter
John McWhorter is an associate professor of English and comparative literature at Columbia University and the author of What Language Is (and What It Isn't and What It Could Be). The views expressed are solely his own.



Read more: http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/24/viewpoint-give-paula-deen-back-her-job/#ixzz2X8FNpOf6
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 05:38 am
@hawkeye10,
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retire or fall on her sword, be the poster child for the reformed southern rebel, them be the choices.


So it your opinion that businesses can tell their customers in mass to go to hell in order to maintain PC and not go out of business as a result?
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 05:51 am
@BillRM,
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So yes, she just might pop out with the N-word in private in a heated moment.

There seems to be a large group of people who are characterizing this as just a single instance of dropping a foul word. Dean is being accused of (and admitted to) routinely making racist slurs, telling racist jokes in the workplace and in her husband's case, threatening the employment of a worker for asking that it stop. She can be as racist as she wants in her private time. Abusing her employees who likely don't have many employment alternatives is what the case is about.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 07:20 am
@engineer,
When a thread like this goes on for more than 5 pages and whenever BillRM becomes involved, the issue gets lost in contrarianism. Bill's more like a spendi with a speech impediment.
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 08:27 am
@BillRM,
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Somehow I think she became aware of that decades ago but what the hell let prove how PC we are by throwing her under the bus.


I don't see that she was thrown under the bus. She lost her TV show because of the inevitable publicity. She still has quite a successful restaurant business.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 08:58 am
@engineer,
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Dean is being accused of (and admitted to) routinely making racist slurs, telling racist jokes in the workplace...She can be as racist as she wants in her private time. Abusing her employees who likely don't have many employment alternatives is what the case is about.

You are quite right, engineer. The only reason any of this became public is because of a racial discrimination and sexual harassment lawsuit, lodged against Deen and her brother Earl, by a former employee, because of the workplace environment they allowed, fostered, and contributed to, at their restaurant. And the case is in federal court because it involves possible violations of federal laws.

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According to the Huffington Post, the deposition was held on May 17 as part of a court case brought forth by former Paula Deen Enterprises employee Lisa Jackson against Deen and her brother, Earl “Bubba” Hiers. In the suit, Lisa claimed there were several instances of sexual and racial workplace discrimination.

In one particularly salacious story from the deposition, Lisa was asked to plan a wedding for Paula's son Bubba. Lisa claims Paula said she wanted to do a slave-style wedding. No, really....she did. Paula's words:

"I want a true Southern -plantation style wedding. Well what I would really like is a bunch of little niggers to wear long-sleeve white shirts, black shorts and black bow ties, you know in the Shirley Temple days, they used to tap dance around. Now that would be a true Southern wedding wouldn't it?"

The deposition goes on to claim that Black workers at "Uncle Bubba's Restaurant" were required to use the BACK entrance to pick up their checks, and were all required to use the same bathroom at the BACK of the restaurant (while white employees could use the customer's restrooms). Also, Blacks employees who worked in the back of the restaurant were not allow to go to the front of the restaurant.

Elsewhere in the deposition, Lisa goes on the quote Bubba saying things like, "I wish I could put all those niggers (in the kitchen) on a boat back to Africa)." And, he allegedly said, "They should send President Obama to the oil spill in the Gulf Of Mexico so he could nigger-rig it."...

And on her brother's behavior:

Lawyer: Are you aware of Mr. Hiers admitting that he engaged in racially and sexually inappropriate behavior in the workplace?

Deen: I guess

Lawyer: Okay. Well, have you done anything about what you heard him admit to doing?
Deen: My brother and I have had conversations. My brother is not a bad person. Do humans behave inappropriately? At times, yes. I don't know one person that has not. My brother is a good man. Have we told jokes? Have we said things that we should not have said, that -- yes, we all have. We all have done that, every one of us.
http://theybf.com/2013/06/19/this-is-not-the-way-to-celebrate-juneteenth-paula-deen-admits-to-using-n-word-accused-of


So not only is Deen's conduct as an employer at issue, so is her brother's, and, since they were in partnership, Deen can be held responsible for not putting a stop to her brother's egregious conduct as an employer, and the conditions for employees that he created in their workplace.

Are people really willing to defend the kind of workplace conditions that Deen and her brother are accusing of creating and maintaining at their restaurant? That's really what this discussion should be about, because that's really where the controversy stemmed from.

It's not really about Deen's private behavior, or about defending an old Southern woman who grew up in a prejudiced and discriminatory environment and still retains vestiges of that past in her private conduct. It's about a woman who runs restaurants, as part of her $12 million business empire, and the workplace conditions and atmosphere she maintains in those restaurants, and how her employees are treated in that workplace, and whether the way Deen runs this business violates federal laws regarding racial discrimination and sexual harassment.

That's one reason that Deen's contractual business associates--like the Food Network, and QVC, and the publisher of her magazine, have all put out statements saying they cannot condone discrimination. They are also trying to distance themselves from Deen's business practices, practices which have now been brought into question by that lawsuit.





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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 09:52 am
@hawkeye10,
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retire or fall on her sword, be the poster child for the reformed southern rebel, them be the choices.


One choice she's made, that I find questionable, is that she's agreed to show up Wednesday morning on the Today show for the interview she dodged last Friday.

I think she needs to shut up for a while, and let some of this publicity blow over--her 3 video apologies last week only made matters worse for her. She's not a very articulate or insightful person, and she's not the best spokesperson for herself at the moment. I think she'd be better off relying on carefully crafted written statements, on her behalf, coming from her lawyers or PR people, than doing that Today interview. For her sake, I hope I'm wrong, and that she manages to redeem her reputation, or helps to salvage her business empire, when she does that Today interview Wednesday. But she's got to be very careful about what she says because she's still involved in that lawsuit.

I think the best thing she could do would be to tell her defenders to stop rationalizing and excusing her actions, to stop defending her use of any racial epithets, or her telling, or acceptance of, derogatory statements or jokes aimed at minority groups like blacks, gays, Jews, etc., the groups she's said are what "all jokes" are about. She's got to tell her own defenders that they are wrong to support her, or try to excuse her, for doing such things, and that they should stop. That, I think, would help to start wiping some of the tarnish off her brand image, because it would mean she's taking control of the situation by trying to use it as a teachable moment for even her own fans. If she truly feels her own behavior was inexcusable, she's got to tell her supporters to stop excusing and defending it.

Let her tell her fans to continue to show support by buying her cookware products, visiting her restaurants, reading her magazine, buying her cookbooks, etc. but not by defending the behavior, speech, or patterns of thought, that she's not going to excuse in herself. That would be a powerful message for her to send, and one that would show some true awareness and consciousness-raising on her part. Then she can put forth a strategy to help her move past this chapter, and become a force for good, like visibly supporting brotherhood causes, or anti-discrimination groups, or by creating a model workplace environment in all of her businesses.

But, right now, I don't think she should continue to try to explain herself, and make more apologetic videos, or give national interviews, like the Today show. We'll see how she does Wednesday. Maybe she can pull a rabbit out of a hat.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 10:04 am
@firefly,
I think these last days we have seen her doing what she wants to do, what she thinks best. but she is way out of her league, she needed skilled pr help.

better yet she should have had a plan months ago, and she should have been building better relationships with her business partners all along.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 10:20 am
@hawkeye10,
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better yet she should have had a plan months ago, and she should have been building better relationships with her business partners all along.

You are right. This lawsuit was filed some time ago, and she should have known what was coming in the way of negative publicity, and she should have tried to pre-emptively take control of the possible damage it would cause.

Her previous PR person apparently quit over her diabetes concealment/big pharma hookup revelations, so there probably was a conflict there because Deen might not listen to people who do know more than she does about brand damage control. And, you're right, she's way out of her league now, and she does need skilled PR help--and she's got to follow it. She also needs good legal help.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jun, 2013 10:35 am
@firefly,
her plan of being a martha stewart type company is gone now matter how good she plays starting today, so she also needs a business mind who can figure out what is salvageable, and how to best wind down the rest of the company.
 

 
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