Did Jesus Actually Exist?

@Frank Apisa,

Krumple spent a lot of time last year belittling the extent of the Holocaust. Do you need to know any more ?

@Krumple,

I make no claim to Jesus being the first to teach anything of the sort, Jesus was expanding on principles within the Mosaic Law long before him, but if we are basing it purely on chronology, then it could be said that Buddha was preceded by Moses, I did however make an assertion that 1) Jesus teachings were beneficial and 2) he impacted mankind more than any other fiction or non fictional character

Did Buddha really impact humanity more than Jesus or are you claiming superiority by proxy? I am open to being convinced if you can show me some decent figures. I have been wrong before, but I like to be convinced of it before I consider it.

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@Smileyrius,

Smileyrius wrote:

I make no claim to Jesus being the first to teach anything of the sort, Jesus was expanding on principles within the Mosaic Law long before him, but if we are basing it purely on chronology, then it could be said that Buddha was preceded by Moses, I did however make an assertion that 1) Jesus teachings were beneficial and 2) he impacted mankind more than any other fiction or non fictional character

Did Buddha really impact humanity more than Jesus or are you claiming superiority by proxy? I am open to being convinced if you can show me some decent figures. I have been wrong before, but I like to be convinced of it before I consider it.

Numbers of converts is missleading. It in no way suggests validity nor truth. But what is well known about christanity and islams history is that it is brutal to non-believers. It was convert or die. Not only that but it is clear that indoctrination is well ingrained into it's system. Where as buddhism has none of those characteristics. It doesn't try to force anything from non-believers nor threaten their life for not accepting the doctrine.

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@Krumple,

Krumple my friend, I have no qualms with your claims on Christian or Islamic denominations converting by the sword, history shows that Christianity has not always been all that... Christian, but that doesn't really have anything to do with Jesus or his teachings. What is more, it does not really support the claim that Buddha had more of an impact on humanity.

I haven't really shared much opinion on validity or truth in this thread, I hadn't imagined it was a good fit.

How would you quantify Buddha's impact on humanity today?

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@Smileyrius,

Krumple's main difficulty is that he simply asserts things that may or may not be so...but he asserts them as though they MUST BE SO.

As I mentioned in my last post, he asserts that Buddhism teaches to "refrain from killing (including all beings, not just humans)" and then assert, completely gratuitously that the teaching is far superior to just the idea of not murdering humans.

It does not necessarily follow that it is. Not at all.

It is a self-serving assertion.

The balance of his arguments seem to be of that same stripe. Essentially he is arguing either...

...that Buddhism is superior to all other religions because it is superior to all other religions...

...or, that he (Krumple) thinks Buddhism is superior to all other religions because he thinks it is superior to all other religions.

Either way, he plays those themes in an endless loop of circular reasoning.

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@Frank Apisa,

Krumple is female.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Krumple is female.

Thanks, Izzy, although I've given up trying to keep that sort of thing straight with these screen names.

If it really matters to her, she would indicate gender with a name or avatar.

(On that note, a funny thing happened to me the other day when I took my aunt food shopping at a local supermarket. The person at the checkout counter was androgynous in physical appearance and apparel. A large black person that I immediately realized could be either a man or woman. I was in front of the shopping cart (trolley) and took a look at the person's name tag. Damn! CHRIS.)

But he turned to my aunt and spoke in a decidedly male voice, so I assumed he was a he. Strange that he was only there that one time.)

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@izzythepush,

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Krumple spent a lot of time last year belittling the extent of the Holocaust. Do you need to know any more ?

To put in your weight balance the opinion of other people using as weight measure the support of the holocaust, is a mental sick way of judgment.

Listen, no everybody believe the stories of the holocaust. Everybody have the right to have different opinions about the different topics, events, and more.

We are talking about the existence of Jesus in this thread, and believing or not in the holocaust won't matter at all when we discuss about Jesus because both holocaust and Jesus are complete different topics.

I will suggest you to refrain of pointing people who do not agree with the holocaust as something negative in these forums... or to seek for help because your actions reveal that your mind may be [d]izzy... I mean sick.

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The historical Jesus is a historical FACT.

About Jesus being the son of God... well, a Roman soldier said so right after Jesus died... so... who knows.

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@carloslebaron,

I have every right to treat Holocaust deniers/belittlers as the low life pieces of crap they are. Get back under your stone.

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@carloslebaron,

carloslebaron wrote:

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Krumple spent a lot of time last year belittling the extent of the Holocaust. Do you need to know any more ?

To put in your weight balance the opinion of other people using as weight measure the support of the holocaust, is a mental sick way of judgment.

Listen, no everybody believe the stories of the holocaust. Everybody have the right to have different opinions about the different topics, events, and more.

We are talking about the existence of Jesus in this thread, and believing or not in the holocaust won't matter at all when we discuss about Jesus because both holocaust and Jesus are complete different topics.

I will suggest you to refrain of pointing people who do not agree with the holocaust as something negative in these forums... or to seek for help because your actions reveal that your mind may be [d]izzy... I mean sick.

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The historical Jesus is a historical FACT.

About Jesus being the son of God... well, a Roman soldier said so right after Jesus died... so... who knows.

carlos, izzythepush is intellectually dishonest. I guess a "lot of time" is maybe a few posts and "belittling" means being skeptical of some claims. So since I am skeptical and voice them it means I shouldn't have any ability to discuss any other topics. I should just take all claims as literally true and never challenge anything. He is so hurtful over the things I said that he keeps bringing them up and the posts were probably 2 or 3 years old if not older. Mental panties in a bind, he will just follow me to any thread and just derail the conversation and bring it up. He is a post nazi..

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@Krumple,

You should love Carlos, you're just like him. And you're the one being dishonest, (nothing intellectual about it,) you submitted a lot of posts either belittling the Holocaust or your reasons for belittling it.

I was just letting Frank know what he's dealing with. If something won't accept the truth of the Holocaust than what's the point debating the possibility of anything else?

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You should love Carlos, you're just like him. And you're the one being dishonest, (nothing intellectual about it,) you submitted a lot of posts either belittling the Holocaust or your reasons for belittling it.

I was just letting Frank know what he's dealing with. If something won't accept the truth of the Holocaust than what's the point debating the possibility of anything else?

So has your hitler stash come in to your liking yet? Or are you still working on it?

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@Krumple,

You think I have a stash of Hitlers somewhere? How many do you think I have secreted about the place?

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You think I have a stash of Hitlers somewhere? How many do you think I have secreted about the place?

Reading your posts kills brain cells , you are attempting genocide through the process of dumb posts..

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@Krumple,

I seem to have wiped yours out well enough.

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@izzythepush,

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Krumple spent a lot of time last year belittling the extent of the Holocaust. Do you need to know any more ?

Denying the historical Jesus is one form of anti-science denialism, and denying the holocaust is another. The latter is more sinister than the former, but the mental processes at work are by and large the same: follow your ideological instinct and forget all evidence.

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@Olivier5,

That's a cheap shot, especially after you apologised for doing it last time.

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Denialism is when someone persists in their denial while faced with abundant evidence. The evidence for the existence of the Jesus person isn't nearly as abundant as it is for the Big Bang, evolution, the Holocaust, etc. I wouldn't put Jesus-denying in the same category.

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@FBM,

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The evidence for the existence of the Jesus person isn't nearly as abundant as it is for the Big Bang, evolution, the Holocaust, etc. I wouldn't put Jesus-denying in the same category.

The evidence is significant, probably larger than for the Big Bang, though the comparison may make little sense... In any case it is sufficient for 99.9% of qualified historians to conclude that the dude probably existed. Anyone who denies that is just as much a denialist as someone who denies the scientific consensus on man-made climate change.

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@izzythepush,

The truth is not a 'shot'. And I never apologized for anything, just agreed that holocaust deniers are more sinister than Jesus deniers. But it is important to stress that the mental processes are similar. Both cases involve a strong ideological bias combined with stonewalling about the evidence being 'fabricated' or 'tempered' by evil-doers...

The mistake you are making is to think that only bad people can become deniers.

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