Do you truly suppose he was considering human sacrifice, like the Baal worshipers?
I'm sure he never expected his daughter to be the the one who cam to meet him
The fact that all involved respected the vow shows the degree of importance Jehovah attaches to vows.
BTW, if you don't believe it, why be concerned with it?
. . .. God said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all your people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among whom you are shall see the work of the LORD: for it is an awesome thing that I will do with you.
God seems as if he wants people to think he is awesome here. . . .
Sure seems like it. Perhaps he is
neo wrote:Sure seems like it. Perhaps he is
He sure seemed to be dominant by his description of being able to kill off all the surrounding nations but haven't other groups of apes been able to do the same?
The word Satan is from the Hebrew for "accuser".
There is also no reason to believe that Satan was in, or had anything to do with the Garden of Eden.
InfraBlue wrote:I'm not sure what you are getting at. Satan is referred to as an individual over 50 times in the Bible.neologist wrote:Your meaning doesn't follow, though. Used alone "satan" is a verb. When it appears as "ha-satan" it is used as a noun with a different meaning than the verb. Where do you get this meaning from?OK, I'll go with adversary, obstructor, opposer, resistor, even rival. In Satan's case that would make him a rebel, since he was under Jehovah's sovereignty.
Thanks for helping me sharpen my point. Satan has set himself as rival in that he has taken control of our present system of things. This is evident in several places, paricularly where he offers all the world kingdoms to Jesus.
He is resistor in that he attempts to foil any attempts for humans to learn truth.
It was God who wouldn't let Adam and Eve eat from the tree of knowledge.
Quote:He is resistor in that he attempts to foil any attempts for humans to learn truth.
You are confusing Satan with God. It was God who wouldn't let Adam and Eve eat from the tree of knowledge. It was only when humans gained knowledge that we were cast out of the Garden of Eden.
Quote:Thanks for helping me sharpen my point. Satan has set himself as rival in that he has taken control of our present system of things. This is evident in several places, particularly where he offers all the world kingdoms to Jesus.
You seem to take the bible as if it were reality. I think there is some truth in it but if I were to share reality as I see it, it would not have Satan as the ruler but rather the religions of the world.
When I look around I see churches going up all around me and they do not talk about worshiping Satan but rather Jesus and God. I do not know of any churches where I live that profess Satan as their God.
Personally I see God as Satan but religions teach it with a twist. I do not think that the majority of them mean to to that but what else can we expect when they are unable to think for themselves or should I say understand or have an interest in reality?
Quote:I thought God taught against it because they would not be under his mind control but he did let them do it but he did kill them in the end. It reminds me of slave masters who did not want their slaves to become educated.It was God who wouldn't let Adam and Eve eat from the tree of knowledge.
Who would want a slave that is more educated than them?
Do you assume God created humans to be robotic slaves? With no free will? How then, were they able to opt for Satan's choice?
neo wrote:I thought that you knew by now, I have respect for you and others like my own mother but I do not read the bible as if it were all reality and in my opinion it is probably less than 25% true.Do you assume God created humans to be robotic slaves? With no free will? How then, were they able to opt for Satan's choice?
That would make it useless as a subject for discussion. So, why are we here?
Yeah.What sort of knowledge? Did you look that up? And, of course, they had no idea what the consequence would be. Right? If Adam and Eve had obeyed, they would still be here and we would not have war and crime and sickness and death
Sure you would not have war and crime and sickness and death.