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Is the theory of evolution correct?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2019 01:50 pm
@Leadfoot,
Good!
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Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 12:23 pm
@kampung,
The first step in the scientific method is "Observe something." Evolution has never been observed, so it is not scientific.

Your second clue is that the supporters first tried to get a law forcing schools to teach evolution. Then they bribed colleges by endowing departments of EVOLUTIONARY biology so that students who refuse to pretend to believe could be thrown out. Surprise! All the degreed biologists pretend to believe evolution now! Pretending is ok. After all, it's not a matter of right/wrong. It's a matter of obedience.

Your third clue is that any honest question about evolution draws personal insults, rather than scientific discourse.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 12:45 pm
@Jewels Vern,
Leaving aside the evolution observed in microorganisms, because those who deny evolution seem never to be willing to acknowledge that, there is the case of the peppered moth, a denizen of Britain and Ireland. As the soot from burning coal blackened trees, the "standard" peppered moth became all too visible, and predatory birds made heavy inroads on the population. But there was a mutational minority of a nearly black population of peppered moths whose population grew dramatically. The process has been reversed now that the use of coal has declined. Evolution has indeed been observed.

The comments in the second paragraph are incredibly bizarre. I suggest that JV needs to provide some evidence, other than a reference to an anti-evolution web site, if s/he expects to be believed.

The final claim here is hilarious in the context of the 16 years this web site has been in existence, during which time those who don't believe that evolution occurs have slandered those who do with reckless abandon.

It is utterly false that the alleged first step in the scientific method is "observe something." It's easy to sneer about something which one has mis-characterized.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 12:49 pm
@Jewels Vern,
Jewels Vern wrote:
The first step in the scientific method is "Observe something." Evolution has never been observed, so it is not scientific.

The thing that is observed in science is natural evidence/data. Evolution is not the data, it is the theory which effectively explains the data. And it does.

Jewels Vern wrote:
Your third clue is that any honest question about evolution draws personal insults, rather than scientific discourse.

And by the way, you're an idiot. Wink
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Helloandgoodbye
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 12:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You posted this link on page 11:
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2015/01/22/yes-the-bible-does-say-to-kill-infidels/

It is interesting to yet again observe the ongoing pattern which never seems to end about how yourself and so many others, millions of people for that matter are so quick to embrace false information And terrible misinterpretations.

This does parallel the millions and billions of people who embrace the teaching that The design we see in life does not require a designer ( microscopic machines like bacteria are the prime example to counter evolutionism doctrine).
It is interesting how fossils are so badly misinterpreted too, (like biblical scripture) And how people actually come to the conclusion that Cows turned into whales, and monkeys turned into people because of such terrible misinterpretations.

Likewise, how could the author of that link you provided ever conclude that is what the Bible is teaching, to kill ‘unbelievers!?’ How could you come to that conclusion?
After being spit on, whipped, mocked and rejected, When Dying on the cross,Did God himself(Jesus) not say ‘ forgive them father, for they do not know what they do!!’

I suspect that anyone who has come to the conclusion that evolutionism is true or that the Bible teaches such things like you were and are proposing truly haven’t sought the truth in the matter. Really truly.

Maybe try searching for the truth in the matter? Maybe try posting a link which explains What is really going on in the books ofDeuteronomy and numbers?
To give yourself and others a different interpretation of things. The other side of the argument, the story, the debate....The proper Interpretation. The Truth.
This way it is less likely you will deceive yourself and others.

Later Gator
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Helloandgoodbye
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 02:00 pm
@Setanta,
The peppered moth?
You see, this is another ongoing, Never ending example of how people take evidence like the peppered moth and turn it into something unrealistic.

The peppered moth observation supports the idea and theory that The intelligent designer created life to adapt. But with limitations. In other words genetic barriers. Dogs can produce dogs with minor variations but will never majorly change into a cat or a human. Minor adaptations will ‘hit the wall.‘
Like variations within a seven digit lottery number. Can only get so many. And also impossible four in the eight digit to be encoded unless the designer does so. Likewise with genetics.
The book of Genesis lays out the foundation that light was created according to their ‘kinds.’
( We have gone over this, but yet here it is again. And will be again, and again and again. )
Yet, this is another example Of how terrible conclusions Are reached. People not interpreting things properly.

Ever observe life being created from nonlife sources? Nope. Never will either.
This is why evolutionism is an illogical belief system NOT science.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 02:11 pm
@Helloandgoodbye,
Please provide evidence for your "intelligent designer?" Otherwise, your imagination is getting the best of you! Your faith is misguided; no scientific proof. It's based all on "faith." Impossible to prove. Think of all the gods different countries and cultures have created? Thousands. Is your god any more legit than all those other gods without proof or evidence?
Helloandgoodbye
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 03:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Absolutely!
The true God is much more legit then all other Gods including the time and chance God, creator or force of evolutionism. 😉
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 03:22 pm
@Helloandgoodbye,
That's what they all say! LOL.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 03:25 pm
@Jewels Vern,
Quote:
Evolution has never been observed, so it is not scientific.
I see you have never heard of Charles Darwin. Do some study, please, before you sound like a fool. "Across universities, research institutions, and scientific organizations, evolution is not only nearly universally accepted, it is also the basis upon which active, exciting, and important research is being done. Indeed, the scientific fact that is evolution is the basis of most of biology." Did you know that Homo sapiens evolved from primates, and that during earth's lifespan of some 4.5 billion years, we are but 200,000 years on this planet? Scientists have concluded from evidence, that we evolved from South Africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans

Are you claiming to have more knowledge than the universities, research institutions, and scientific organizations? What is your educational level, and what was your major in college?
I have had the privilege to visit the Charles Darwin Research Center in the Galapagos Islands. They are doing much research into evolution that only confirms Charles Darwin's biological evolution. He proved it by Darwin's finches, but that was only the beginning on the evidence of evolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinism
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coluber2001
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 03:27 pm
@Helloandgoodbye,
Quote:
Ever observe life being created from nonlife sources? Nope. Never will either.
This is why evolutionism is an illogical belief system NOT science.


You seem to like putting the cart before the horse, and with your talent for rationalization you could probably make a good case to show that the cart really does push the horse.

I don't think you have faith so much as a very strong diehard belief. To paraphrase what Alan Watts said: faith is letting go and belief is holding on to. Sometimes you just have to let go of the old, rigid concepts and let in new, fluid creativity.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 03:50 pm
@coluber2001,
Quote:
Evolution: Library: Adaptive Radiation: Darwin's Finches - PBS
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/6/l_016_02.html
Adaptive Radiation: Darwin's Finches. There are now at least 13 species of finches on the Galapagos Islands, each filling a different niche on different islands. All of them evolved from one ancestral species, which colonized the islands only a few million years ago.
. In essence, the finches beaks changed based on the food source of each island. They had to evolve to survive.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 05:00 pm
@Helloandgoodbye,
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This is why evolutionism is an illogical belief system NOT science.
unlike "religionism" which reaches a conclusion before ever seeing any data and then tries to either
1 deny evidence tht doesnt fit your belief or

2 Shoehorn a one line phrase (like "after their kind") from a book of myths to explain a complex phenomenon .
Claiming that religionism actually understands wht science is, does no good to either religion or science.

Peppered moths are an example of the evidence of the process of natural selection , not evolution. Evolution has already occurred by providing the species with polymorphic phenotype. Peppered moths have actually 4 polymorphs and these 4 display slightly different genotypes. They display their polymorphim under selective predation not always just in response to industrial pollution.

Haldane was able to calculate the statistical success of each of the subspecies within their "comfort environment". Slwcrive advantges can be calculated repeatedly with the melanic form having a success ratio of about 25%

Where does intelligent design draw any credibility?? You seem to accept adaptation as a mechanism of change but you then stop and ignore the fossil record that clearly displays natural selection based upon adaptation to a newer environment .

I notice that the Creationists want to argue with some of Darwin's shortcomings , like how his theory doesnt allow for the "fixing" of an allele (because he didnt know about alleles). Or how they say his theory loses credibility because he insisted on changes occuring at steady slow rates.
Science seems to be reaching a consensus that these changes arent necessarily tied to a specific rate except tht evolutionary changes are tied to the speed of environmental changes. ITs either attainable or the species goes extinct


Evolution seems to be the product of nature, nurture and all tied together with possible heritability based on Lamarkian obsrvations. We discovered some of the workings of epigenetics and how generational heritability cn work via methylation on the GT rung only.

I wonder whether the Polar bear will be able to make it, based upon our understnding about the rapid environmental changes now underway in the High Arctic and possible epigenetic heritabity??




cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 05:29 pm
@farmerman,
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I wonder whether the Polar bear will be able to make it, based upon our understnding about the rapid environmental changes now underway in the High Arctic and possible epigenetic heritabity??
. Do you think they may be able to survive depending on the rate of change?
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2019 06:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
There is some evidence from the Canadian side that they are adapting to other diets like dolphins, caribou, snow geese and snow geese eggs. Topping that with sleeping in summer, although its not real estivation because guys at Calgary have found that through tagging, their heartbeat rates dont really drop

Quote:
es·ti·va·tion
/ˌestəˈvāSHən/Submit
noun
1.
ZOOLOGY
prolonged torpor or dormancy of an animal during a hot or dry period.


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Helloandgoodbye
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 05:52 am
@cicerone imposter,
That is what they all say. I agree.

That is whyJeremiah wrote (29:13) ‘those who seek the truth will find it when it is sought with all their heart’
From my observations, ppl who embrace evolutionism, and the god of time and chance which can create life, have not done this.
Later gator
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 11:29 am
@Helloandgoodbye,
Quote:
‘those who seek the truth will find it when it is sought with all their heart’
. The problem with your quote is that "truth" is subjective. Your truth is not necessarily my truth.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 07:39 am
@Setanta,
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there is the case of the peppered moth
Oh jeez! not the debunked 'Peppered Moth myth again.

In case anyone is interested in reality:

Quote:
The Tyranny of a Concept:
The Case of the Peppered Moth
Craig Holdrege:
http://natureinstitute.org/pub/ic/ic8/moth.htm
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Helloandgoodbye
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 09:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
You realize That is a ‘truth’ statement you just made?! Lol
Is that the truth CI?! That truth is subjective....

Love you guys, but man o man I hope you guys see the folly of your religious beliefs and faith in evolutionism.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 09:57 am
@Helloandgoodbye,
deny science all you wish, the theory still works from all poles of evidence nd all at the same times. Thats quite a bit more than the God squad can say.
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