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Beyond tribalism; How well does your religious label serve you?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 03:40 pm
@MattDavis,
It is hardly a slight disagreement to suggest that someone habitually "doesn't get it." It was not in the least fair-minded, either, given that he failed so see my point, or to ask me why i was writing what i had.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 03:43 pm
@MattDavis,
Quote:
You Setanta have a lot of knowledge to offer


To me Setanta is not an honest person and play games instead of dealing with an issue in an honest manner with insults thrown in for good measure.

MattDavis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 03:45 pm
@JPB,
Thank you very much JPB for sharing your experiences.
I too have experienced the conflicting desire to "fit in" with a particular religious culture, and to not exclude other people.
JPB wrote:
Our community was very much divided along the lines of "us" and "them" amongst the jews and christians. I chose not to participate in either group.

How difficult is it to "stand alone" without the backing of a religion, in our society(ies)?
MattDavis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 03:48 pm
@izzythepush,
Frank Apisa wrote:
It pains me just to contemplate what kind of wine youse would order while trying to reach that decision!

Alcohol is the tool of the devil. Evil or Very Mad

Izzy wrote:
Are you pitching a sit com? Imagine the above, but with only one chair. Do you think you'll be able to come to a decision on anything that isn't chair related?

Sitting is sloth. Evil or Very Mad
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MattDavis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 03:51 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM, you aren't helping your cause here either, by returning any insults.
MattDavis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 03:53 pm
@Setanta,
I agree that asking for clarification is something we should all probably do, if we are unsure of something as it is explained.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 04:00 pm
@MattDavis,
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BillRM, you aren't helping your cause here either, by returning any insults.


Stating he is not being honest in his dealings on this website is my opinion of his actions and his words not an insult such as calling someone an idiot or a fool or whatever............
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 04:04 pm
@Setanta,
No atheists are not identical any more than theists. Facile? I will work on that. But I won't be your target.
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 04:08 pm
@MattDavis,
MattDavis wrote:
Do you find value in labeling yourself with your religious beliefs/non-beliefs?

I probably would if there was a label for my religion, but there isn't. And since mine is just a minimalistic, two-tenet religion, it rarely wastes much of my time to just spell out the tenets explicitly:

Tenet #1: It's bad to cause misery, good to cause happiness.

Tenet #2: Don't believe everything people tell you. Instead, believe each thing in proportion to the evidence for it.

Some day, maybe someone will invent a label for my religion. I'll use the label if and when that happens. (How about "happies"? I like the similarity to "hippies".) In the meantime, though, the full extent of my religion is just 30 words, so why hold my breath?
MattDavis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 04:10 pm
@BillRM,
I of course agree that calling someone a "fool" or "idiot" is not commendable.
I do think that saying someone is "not an honest person" is equivalent to "liar".
I have been foolish, I have been idiotic, I have lied.
I am not a fool, I am not an idiot, I am not a liar.
Those labels don't define me, those labels would also make it more difficult for me to become more virtuous.
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MattDavis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 04:13 pm
@Thomas,
I've tried defending that "religion" before.
You would be amazed at the resistance to it.
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 04:15 pm
@Setanta,
Set, While you determine my merits or lack thereof, I do have a comment. I think I only said 'you don't get it' once, not habitually and that pales to your personal attacks. Like I said, I'd really rather not participate as I think this the kind of interaction you get pleasure from.
jespah
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 04:21 pm
I offer this video because every thread - and I mean all of them - needs a soundtrack.
MattDavis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 04:35 pm
@jespah,
Thanks Jespah.
Very fitting. I love REM.
The Eponymous album was somewhat my soundtrack when I was 16 going through one of my existential crises.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 05:40 pm
@Thomas,
Your two tenets contradict each other.
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 06:19 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Your two tenets contradict each other.

If that were true, the proper label on my religion would be "contradiction" or "error". Both are useful labels if accurate. I don't agree that they are, but that's besides the point of this thread, which is labelling.
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MattDavis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 06:34 pm
@maxdancona,
Thomas might have just as easily postulated "compassion" and "reasoning ability" as axioms.
Not all "religions" have the same legalistic trappings to which you may be accustomed (including some Christian ones).
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 07:45 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Stating he is not being honest in his dealings on this website is my opinion of his actions and his words not an insult such as calling someone an idiot or a fool or whatever............


But you are an idiot BillRM.

BillRM wrote:
I think what get to him is the idea that anyone can be comfortable with living in a universe where everything can not be explained and have no emotional need to make up fantasies or adopted fantasies to cover the unknown and in some cases the unknowable parts of existence.


Above you demonstrate your simplistic reasoning. Setanta states that those who believe science will solve everything, are as tied to blind faith as a tub thumping evangelical. You counter with the notion that he seeks solace in believing in an indecipherable universe. To be fair, that's the only answer you could have given because you don't understand what he was saying.

You, in your two dimensional level of thinking, thinks concept of science being incapable of fully explaining the universe automatically means a belief in the supernatural. That's the beginning and end of your reasoning, and in your ignorance you think you're being so clever. You really are deluded.

Maybe the universe is so complicated that it can only be understood by beings a lot more, and in your case considerably more, intelligent than us. Let's say we build a supercomputer that can understand the universe, if we accept its findings we'd have to do on trust.

In short science is limited by our own understanding, not that I'd expect you to get any of it. You've always looked for easy answers.


And you're a ******* nonce.
MattDavis
 
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Reply Fri 15 Mar, 2013 08:41 pm
@izzythepush,
I'm sure that response will prove less than helpful to BillRM, primarily due to it's insulting tone.
Izzy wrote:
Let's say we build a supercomputer that can understand the universe, if we accept its findings we'd have to do on trust.

As an FYI, that situation is an impossibility (at least so long as by computer you mean Turing Machine).
This Laplace's demon type situation was disproven by computation/number theory in 2008 by David Wolpert.
Such a computer is impossible (at least within the universe which we reside in).
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Mar, 2013 02:50 am
@IRFRANK,
I have launched very few "attacks" at you. Your memory is conveniently vague. You wrote: "Set doesn't get it, as usual." The implication of that is that i habitually "don't get it." Do you "get it" now? It is because of the snide, snotty character of that remark that i largely ignore you now.

Quote:
. . . I'd really rather not participate . . .


Say you, having gotten your shot in. I'm sure you think i shouldn't be able to respond--how convenient for you.
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