H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 02:39 pm
@OmSigDAVID,

Rap has decided to go down a bunny hole, hoping you and others will follow
him and ignore the facts presented by Erick Erickson on RedState.com

H2O MAN wrote:

Piers Morgan has been in the news a lot lately with his interviews on gun control. He’s made it his cause of late. He interviewed my friend Larry Pratt a couple of weeks ago and really attacked Larry. The other night he interviewed that conspiracy crank Alex Jones and many conservatives and gun owners have lamented a perception that Alex Jones will become the face of gun owners.

The conversations have actually been fascinating. Piers Morgan isn’t the only one to engage in these, but he’s been one of the most prominent.

Unfortunately, the incident that set off all these discussions — the Newtown, CT tragedy — is causing policy makers and news figures to fixate on all the wrong things, or at least the things with the least amount of meaning.

The fact is the tragedy in Connecticut was terrible. But it is also not a common act. It is called a “random act of violence” because it is random.

After the shooting over the summer in Aurora, CO, the President and his team could have picked up the gun issue, but they chose not too because it is a political hot potato and hurts the Democrats. They are compensating in light of this new tragedy, but the discussed policy proposals thus far probably would do no good. Increasing gun free school zones and punishment for violating those zones will not stop a mass shooter.

Nonetheless, the policy makers want to focus on mass shooters and not every day shooters. They want to focus on rifles and not handguns. Rifles, interestingly enough, contribute to far fewer murders than knives, hands, feet, clubs, or hammers.

But the discussion will not move to handguns because handguns are pretty popular in this country. Many people own them — far more own them than own semi-automatic rifles. More so, handguns are used in vastly more crimes.

It is not, however, just handguns that must be discussed when discussing gun violence. This gets to why we cannot have a meaningful conversation in this country and never will. To do so will get you branded a racist.

“Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000).”

“Males represented 77% of homicide victims and nearly 90% of offenders. The victimization rate for males (11.6 per 100,000) was 3 times higher than the rate for females (3.4 per 100,000). The offending rate for males (15.1 per 100,000) was almost 9 times higher than the rate for females (1.7 per 100,000).”

“Approximately a third (34%) of murder victims and almost half (49%) of the offenders were under age 25. For both victims and offenders, the rate per 100,000 peaked in the 18 to 24 year-old age group at 17.1 victims per 100,000 and 29.3 offenders per 100,000.”

These are all direct quotes from a United States Department of Justice report released by the Obama Administration in November of 2011.

Don Lemon on CNN had a discussion with left-wing commentator David Sirota on whether we should profile young white males because pretty much every mass shooting incident has involved young white males with mental health issues. But, again, these are far less likely to happen than a gang related drive by shooting. Just because acts of mass violence grab the spotlight and media attention does not mean we should set policy on these events, which are not rather common.

The profile of the typical murderer with a gun is a black male in a city under the age of 25. This is not to suggest we should profile young black men. We should not. But we should, if we really want to curb gun violence in the United States, start our conversation looking at this phenomenon. Interestingly enough, the DOJ report notes of murders by poison, 80.6% were by white offenders and just 16.8% were by black offenders. Murders by gun were 41.2% by white offenders and 56.9% by black offenders.

Gun violence in the United States is, over all, on a steady decline, something the chattering class and policy makers tend to ignore. Again, from the Department of Justice:

In 2008, black males age 18 to 24 years-old had the highest homicide victimization rate (91.1 homicides per 100,000). That rate was more than double the rate for black males age 25 or older (38.4 homicides per 100,000) and almost triple the rate for black males age 14 to 17 (31.4 homicides per 100,000).

Among black males age 18 to 24, the homicide victimization rate was much lower in 2008 (91.1 homicides per 100,000) than in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when it reached a high of 195.9 homicides per 100,000 in 1993.

Between 1980 and 2008, young adult black males had the highest homicide offending rate compared to offenders in other racial and sex categories.

The offending rate for black male teens peaked in 1993 at 246.9 offenders per 100,000 before declining. In recent years, the black male teen offending rate has increased from 54.3 offenders per 100,000 in 2002 to 64.8 offenders per 100,000 in 2008.

These are terrible statistics. In our urban areas — and gun violence happens much more in urban areas than anywhere else — young black men, often in broken families, are joining gangs and committing acts of violence against each other. There have been 24 people murdered with guns in Chicago since the Newtown tragedy (see here and here). Just look at the most violent neighborhood in Chicago with 202 murders since 2007. Look at the ages.

Banning guns tomorrow will not stop this. Focusing on handguns instead of rifles or with rifles will not stop this. A renewed assault weapons ban will not stop this. Until we figure out how to fix the family instability and educational problems within the inner-city (because the problem is ultimately about poverty more than anything else), any solution proposed in Washington will be a Potemkin village solution masking the real gun conversation we should be having.

But, because the issue is tinged with race and often viewed as lacking a solution, policy makers and the media often don’t want to make eye contact with the problem. Instead, they’ll be consumed by the headline tragedy urge to “just do something”.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 02:44 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Mistakes happen, tragic as they may be.


Those two shootings were of a criminal nature on their face.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 02:47 pm
@BillRM,
Premeditated?
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 02:58 pm
@H2O MAN,
Does not need to be Premeditated to be criminal on their face as shootings holes in vehicles without any fire from those vehicles or without any knowledge of who is in them is criminal negligence on it face.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 03:05 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Does not need to be Premeditated to be criminal on their face as shootings holes in vehicles without any fire from those vehicles or without any knowledge of who is in them is criminal negligence on it face.


This story has not gotten much press or I just missed it, but it does sound like action needs to be taken against the officers involved.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 03:26 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
This story has not gotten much press or I just missed it, but it does sound like action needs to be taken against the officers involved.


Agree and it is strange that both events had have little coverage by the media.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 03:34 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
This story has not gotten much press or I just missed it, but it does sound like action needs to be taken against the officers involved.


Agree and it is strange that both events had have little coverage by the media.


Media scrubs left-wing manifesto of fugitive cop-killer

Quote:
What’s scandalous, though, is the media’ scrubbing of a killer’s online “manifesto” leaving
out significant portions that announce a left wing, pro-Obama, pro-gun control belief system.

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 03:35 pm

He is cornered and engaged in a gun battle right now!

Quote:
LOS ANGELES – A law enforcement official says a person believed to be the fugitive ex-Los Angeles cop sought in three killings has exchanged gunfire with authorities in the San Bernardino Mountains.
The officer requested anonymity because the officer was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation.
The officer tells The Associated Press it's believed Christopher Dorner committed a residential burglary of a cabin and had a couple tied up in the cabin. One was able to get away and make a call.
Authorities responded to the location and gave chase Tuesday when Dorner fled in a stolen car. Gunfire was exchanged.



I hear it's turned into a car chase...
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 04:14 pm
@BillRM,


Bill, that left wing, pro-Obama, pro-gun control ex-cop is about to get his ass shot off...
Dorner is currently in a cabin and surrounded by heavily armed law enforcement agencies.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 07:22 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Bill, that left wing, pro-Obama, pro-gun control ex-cop i


Other then the fact that he is black what made you think he is pro-Obama let alone pro-gun control?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 07:28 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Bill, that left wing, pro-Obama, pro-gun control ex-cop i


Other then the fact that he is black what made you think he is pro-Obama let alone pro-gun control?


His skin color has nothing to do with it, read his unedited manifesto...

Media scrubs left-wing manifesto of fugitive cop-killer
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2013 10:29 pm
LAPD SAYS A BODY HAS NOT BEEN FOUND IN BURNED OUT CABIN
FOLLOWING GUNFIGHT WITH SUSPECT BELIEVED TO BE EX-COP.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 08:52 am
@H2O MAN,
Sorry I do not buy into a version of the manifesto being put out by a far right wing without proof as it is too simple to fake.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 08:55 am
@BillRM,


You choose to believe the edited manifesto put out by the far left wing...
that's your choice, let us know how it works out for you.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 09:18 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
You choose to believe the edited manifesto put out by the far left wing...
that's your choice, let us know how it works out for you.


I am not buying into any version as of this moment in time.

However the idea that a man who was supposed to had been carrying around a 8,000 dollars or so 50 cal rifle happen to be anti-assault rifles seems amusing on it face.
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raprap
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 07:31 am
Ted Nugent sent a Valentines Card to his gun.

http://girlsguidetoguns.com/files/2011/02/Picture-301.png

Rap
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 07:48 am
@raprap,
Cool
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